rat control

[Mick C. 229]

Any pesties out there who have dealt with rats around a pig farm.

 

I understand that using anti coagulant rat baits is not recommended.

 

I was thinking about using phostoxin for the rat holes away from the building,backed up with break back traps inside bait boxes around any high risk areas.

 

Anything i've missed that could help?

 

 

THANKS

[steveyc 0]

i would reccomend an air rifle mate

[ratattack 111]

A good team of dogs when they rotate the pigs out of the pig houses, lift the houses and bedding with a loader and hey presto rats a plenty Otherwise you are wasting your time, no amount of shooting or trapping will be cost effective.

 

What training do you have for ali phos??

[moley 115]

A good team of dogs when they rotate the pigs out of the pig houses, lift the houses and bedding with a loader and hey presto rats a plenty Otherwise you are wasting your time, no amount of shooting or trapping will be cost effective.

 

What training do you have for ali phos??

 

not quite true , a good few years ago now , i trapped over 3000 rats on 2 neighbouring farms in less than a year, 1 an out door unit(reasonably tidy) the other was intensive indoor unit(absolute shit hole), i also shot at night with air rifle , not sure what i killed but 40 wasn,t uncommon per night , posion wasn,t working due to the high protein pig food all over the place,both farms were under control in less than a year and could then be kept under control using posion in the right place

[jack68 628]

i dont want to be boring but, when you got the pigs or the farmer got the pigs defra should of been nortified. then you will get a visit they will look round give you bullshit as they do then they give you or the farmer a list of pestcontrol companies that you have too use. if you or any one comes on rating for sport or the pester you ring. you can not go to an other pig farm for 30 days. thats the law as it stands i no its poo but that how it stands... hope this helps, yours jack

[nod 285]

i dont want to be boring but, when you got the pigs or the farmer got the pigs defra should of been nortified. then you will get a visit they will look round give you bullshit as they do then they give you or the farmer a list of pestcontrol companies that you have too use. if you or any one comes on rating for sport or the pester you ring. you can not go to an other pig farm for 30 days. thats the law as it stands i no its poo but that how it stands... hope this helps, yours jack

 

not true u could go on different pig farms yes they had to have a break inbetween but not 30 days more like 3, i worked on a pig farm at weekends and had shooting permission on another the only day i could go on it was wednesdays both pig farmers knew this

[jack68 628]

i dont want to be boring but, when you got the pigs or the farmer got the pigs defra should of been nortified. then you will get a visit they will look round give you bullshit as they do then they give you or the farmer a list of pestcontrol companies that you have too use. if you or any one comes on rating for sport or the pester you ring. you can not go to an other pig farm for 30 days. thats the law as it stands i no its poo but that how it stands... hope this helps, yours jack

 

not true u could go on different pig farms yes they had to have a break inbetween but not 30 days more like 3, i worked on a pig farm at weekends and had shooting permission on another the only day i could go on it was wednesdays both pig farmers knew this

if i rong fier doos i ring and ask two moz..

[kill um with crisps 7]

Any pesties out there who have dealt with rats around a pig farm.

 

I understand that using anti coagulant rat baits is not recommended.

 

I was thinking about using phostoxin for the rat holes away from the building,backed up with break back traps inside bait boxes around any high risk areas.

 

Anything i've missed that could help?

 

 

THANKS

 

You want to start out with an all out assault on them mate, a team of terriers, a smoker and some one to lift the units up. Do a few days like that and at night airrifle shooting with a lamp. That should knock the numbers down dramaticaly to get the farmer smiling again! Then ali phos the burrows that are at least 5 metres from ANY building so long as you can be sure that no tunnel connected goes underground to a point where its closer AND that you can find and gas/block ALL the holes. Then a trapping campain, and i DO mean campaign! Not just 10 or 20 traps but depending on the site and the size of the site 100 traps plus. Check, empty and reset these every day for a couple of weeks. By now the numbers should be very low. You can keep the numbers low by the use of the traps which is labour intensive or by the use of bait which is not so labour intensive but as with any poison has to be carried out properly, follow the label instructions to the letter and you should be ok. Qualifications, insurance, written risk assessments and method statements are all important.

[moxy 617]

100+ traps all well if you work for a multi national.

 

Victor pro's or equivilent £300+ per 100 approx

Fenn's or equivilent £800+ per 100 approx

 

plus tunnels

 

Thats a fair outlay for the job if you have not got them already.

[Matt 160]

100+ traps all well if you work for a multi national.

 

Victor pro's or equivilent £300+ per 100 approx

Fenn's or equivilent £800+ per 100 approx

 

plus tunnels

 

Thats a fair outlay for the job if you have not got them already.

 

It is, but how much is a job like that worth? I've got farms on the books here for £4000, so an initial outlay is soon got back over the lifetime of the contract.

 

I think the OP is referring to the myth that rats on pig and poultry units cannot be baited because of Vitamin K being added to foodstuffs.

 

It is a myth, and has now been proven as such by BASF/Sorex.

 

The Vitamin K is the wrong sort, and even if it wasn't, the rats would have to eat so much of the stuff that they would be the size of elephants.

 

Price it right, do it right, and keep it.

[kill um with crisps 7]

100+ traps all well if you work for a multi national.

 

Victor pro's or equivilent £300+ per 100 approx

Fenn's or equivilent £800+ per 100 approx

 

plus tunnels

 

Thats a fair outlay for the job if you have not got them already.

 

Yes it is moxy but im talking professional pest control work here. The traps will pay for themselves and they will be used on many more jobs than just the one. Also the customers going to have to pay for the service provided. Iv put quotes into farms before and some have been rejected, some iv not heard from again, some try to haggle etc etc. My stance is that i want a decent wage for the good, professional service i provide. Also, if you havent already got the traps you should be able to negotiate a healthy discount if your buying 100 at a time.

If the farmer just wants someone to chuck the terriers around the place now and again thats for sport and i would be happy to do it but i would also be talking to him about the legal aspects of proper control procedures and ask questions along the lines of where would he stand if the EHO walked in now and did a rodent survey? If his answer is along the lines of "i would get closed down" i would ask how much would that cost you"? And then "can you afford that"? And "my quote to gain control is a drop in the ocean compared to that isnt it"? My attitude is if i dont get it i dont get it, walk away. Better be payed properly for my work and pay my bills than be payed crap for my work just so i can get the job.

[moxy 617]

I have a slight feeling ive been a little missunderstood. I am fully aware of the financial outlays needed to undertake a Professional pest control contract.

 

LOL it comes down to the PRO word once again on this forum.

 

I know nothing about the job the lad is asking advice for, i dont know how much he has put in for it nor do i know wheather its a one off or he has a £4000 a year contract??

 

I was simply highlighting the costs that a hundred traps plus, plus boxes/tunnels would set you back. An eye opener if you like.

As to a healthy discount i have yet to be convinced of that from any supplier. Ok if your matt the ratt and spend three million quid a year with them, then you may get the odd ten percent knocked off.

 

The lad may have a hundred traps, the job may require three hundred who knows.

One thing you can count on is that twenty five well placed traps has to better than a hundred and twenty five that you may empty one in ten every other day.

 

Not sure if im refering to proffesionalism here or exprience?, cant decide.

[ratattack 111]

A good team of dogs when they rotate the pigs out of the pig houses, lift the houses and bedding with a loader and hey presto rats a plenty Otherwise you are wasting your time, no amount of shooting or trapping will be cost effective.

 

What training do you have for ali phos??

 

not quite true , a good few years ago now , i trapped over 3000 rats on 2 neighbouring farms in less than a year, 1 an out door unit(reasonably tidy) the other was intensive indoor unit(absolute shit hole), i also shot at night with air rifle , not sure what i killed but 40 wasn,t uncommon per night , posion wasn,t working due to the high protein pig food all over the place,both farms were under control in less than a year and could then be kept under control using posion in the right place

I'm not gonna argue but in 10 weeks in 2008 i killed 4256 rats from a battery hen farm using, baiting, trapping and shooting so i know works but it is hardly cost effective. I was there 3 times a week for 4-6 hours a day checking baits and traps then 2 hours shooting in the litter pits. Thats a lot of time that could've been spent elsewhere, great sport but not a worthwhile exercise as these places never do sufficient proofing or carry out hygiene recommendations. Dogs and a smoker are very effective when the huts in an outdoor unit are rotated. Quick clean and plenty bodies for the farmer to see

 

I suspect this is an amature asking for a quick easy fix hence the gas.

[Urban Fox Control London 8]

Here's a good link I found to help you. The main message to get across to the pig farm owner is to ensure that thier housekeeping, hygiene and spills of food are constantly being addressed, anyway, have a look:

 

http://rodent.swine.unl.edu/

[moley 115]

A good team of dogs when they rotate the pigs out of the pig houses, lift the houses and bedding with a loader and hey presto rats a plenty Otherwise you are wasting your time, no amount of shooting or trapping will be cost effective.

 

What training do you have for ali phos??

 

not quite true , a good few years ago now , i trapped over 3000 rats on 2 neighbouring farms in less than a year, 1 an out door unit(reasonably tidy) the other was intensive indoor unit(absolute shit hole), i also shot at night with air rifle , not sure what i killed but 40 wasn,t uncommon per night , posion wasn,t working due to the high protein pig food all over the place,both farms were under control in less than a year and could then be kept under control using posion in the right place

I'm not gonna argue but in 10 weeks in 2008 i killed 4256 rats from a battery hen farm using, baiting, trapping and shooting so i know works but it is hardly cost effective. I was there 3 times a week for 4-6 hours a day checking baits and traps then 2 hours shooting in the litter pits. Thats a lot of time that could've been spent elsewhere, great sport but not a worthwhile exercise as these places never do sufficient proofing or carry out hygiene recommendations. Dogs and a smoker are very effective when the huts in an outdoor unit are rotated. Quick clean and plenty bodies for the farmer to see

 

I suspect this is an amature asking for a quick easy fix hence the gas.

 

thats a very impessive number ratattack and proves that combining methods is the best approach, i didn,t add up the bodies found thru baiting as farm workers a well a myself picked them up, i didn,t acctually trap for 365 days of the year and normally had traps set for a week at a time , then followed up with baiting , so i probably trapped for around 8-10 weeks on top of a baiting program , it did cost the farmers a fair bit , but a the rat problem was under control within a year , neither farmers complained at the bills

like i said this was a few years ago and restrictions were nothing like what they are today, something a simple as wearing different sets of wellies and overalls sufficed