my own fault ??

[RicW 67]

Dogs are pack animals. The boss of the pack is Alpha Male. Alpha male can be a female human being but you MUST BE ALPHA. No messing, no favourites, no crap from any other pack member. "Mess me about and you get your arse kicked." If you fail to assert your authority the other dogs will start competing to take over as Alpha, which seems to have happened here. I can't advise as to what to do now, but in future make damn sure you are THE BOSS.

 

Ric

Edited April 11, 2010 by RicW

[Guest traceyg]

Dogs are pack animals. The boss of the pack is Alpha Male. Alpha male can be a female human being but you MUST BE ALPHA. No messing, no favourites, no crap from any other pack member. "Mess me about and you get your arse kicked." If you fail to assert your authority the other dogs will start competing to take over as Alpha, which seems to have happened here. I can't advise as to what to do now, but in future make damn sure are THE BOSS.

 

Ric

Thanks rick you talk a lot of sense i know its hard to believe as its hard for me to get my head round whats happened but the dogs do as i tell them and i have never had a need to arse kick ( but i would if i had to) my dogs i just think he couldn't work the situation out and joined in i got bit

[dennned 172]

having been inside your home on several occasions, may i give my tuppence worth, when the whippets were fighting in the new year, look at the reasons why, they were out working , all dogs run on adrenalin while working , so it's a fair comment to say , that while they were working , one female was at that point of no return, as adrenalin is concerned , the other came onto the scene trying to take over what the other allready had been chasing , no wonder there was a fight, it was'nt going to give up what it had chased , now onto last night, your thoughts were right to an extent , yes , muzzle the bitch who ripped the other , but they both should have been muzzled (lesson no 1)the terrier responded the way it did because as they started to fight (again because only one was muzzled )you , in your own addmission started screaming at them to stop , like it or not the screaming and the fight intermittently roused the terrier into survival mode(being pack animals )to fight with the screaming party (you)pack animals will and frequently do fight , to the death sometimes , when it all kicks off.

 

i, for one , would definatley, give the terrier another chance, as i said earlier , having been at your home on several occassions , he has never gave me the oppinion that he's a nasty dog, let's all remember one thing here , although theyre working dogs , they are also family pets, where does the blame lie ,i dont think i need to tell you tracey, but just because one incident (and i dont need others replying )as bad as it was , determing you need to destroy your dog, look back at this incident, reflect on how and why it happened, and it wont happen again.

 

the very best of luck , and a speedy recovery----------------------------------hope your arse gets better soon

[Simoman 110]

Hi Tracey, sorry you got bitten, been there a few times and it hurts!!! Personally if the terrier had been fighting with another dog and you had been bitten in the heat of the moment I could forgive the dog, BUT the terrier wasn't involved in the actual fight and bit you several times, I love my dogs but if any of them did that it would be gone...........

 

Si

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[Guest traceyg]

having been inside your home on several occasions, may i give my tuppence worth, when the whippets were fighting in the new year, look at the reasons why, they were out working , all dogs run on adrenalin while working , so it's a fair comment to say , that while they were working , one female was at that point of no return, as adrenalin is concerned , the other came onto the scene trying to take over what the other allready had been chasing , no wonder there was a fight, it was'nt going to give up what it had chased , now onto last night, your thoughts were right to an extent , yes , muzzle the bitch who ripped the other , but they both should have been muzzled (lesson no 1)the terrier responded the way it did because as they started to fight (again because only one was muzzled )you , in your own addmission started screaming at them to stop , like it or not the screaming and the fight intermittently roused the terrier into survival mode(being pack animals )to fight with the screaming party (you)pack animals will and frequently do fight , to the death sometimes , when it all kicks off.

 

i, for one , would definatley, give the terrier another chance, as i said earlier , having been at your home on several occassions , he has never gave me the oppinion that he's a nasty dog, let's all remember one thing here , although theyre working dogs , they are also family pets, where does the blame lie ,i dont think i need to tell you tracey, but just because one incident (and i dont need others replying )as bad as it was , determing you need to destroy your dog, look back at this incident, reflect on how and why it happened, and it wont happen again.

 

the very best of luck , and a speedy recovery----------------------------------hope your arse gets better soon :)

:clapper:

[Hollie 21]

I think that when your wounds have healed and you feel physically strong enough you should muzzle both dogs, stick their leads on and MAKE them walk together, 1 either side of you, YOU are in control and you make them tolerate each other, no faffing about, calm, confident and in control, don't take any messing and project that you are the leader and they will bloody well do as you say, you don't need to be mean, just show that what you say go's, even if you only do it once, just to show yourself and them that you can do it, it will boost your confidence and although i very much doubt these to could ever be trusted together, just doing it will make you feel better

[RicW 67]

Dogs are pack animals. The boss of the pack is Alpha Male. Alpha male can be a female human being but you MUST BE ALPHA. No messing, no favourites, no crap from any other pack member. "Mess me about and you get your arse kicked." If you fail to assert your authority the other dogs will start competing to take over as Alpha, which seems to have happened here. I can't advise as to what to do now, but in future make damn sure are THE BOSS.

 

Ric

Thanks rick you talk a lot of sense i know its hard to believe as its hard for me to get my head round whats happened but the dogs do as i tell them and i have never had a need to arse kick ( but i would if i had to) my dogs i just think he couldn't work the situation out and joined in i got bit

 

Next time don't stick yer hand in! Kick ass! Shout swear hand out big thumps in all directions and let them know that you're as mad as a snake! Don't bother being "fair" just assert your authority BIG TIME!

ATB for the future,

Ric

[david2363 42]

I think that when your wounds have healed and you feel physically strong enough you should muzzle both dogs, stick their leads on and MAKE them walk together, 1 either side of you, YOU are in control and you make them tolerate each other, no faffing about, calm, confident and in control, don't take any messing and project that you are the leader and they will bloody well do as you say, you don't need to be mean, just show that what you say go's, even if you only do it once, just to show yourself and them that you can do it, it will boost your confidence and although i very much doubt these to could ever be trusted together, just doing it will make you feel better

They can't be muzzled for evermore.

There will be opprtunities to get at each other again, and they WILL fight again.

[Guest bullterrier]

Dogs are pack animals. The boss of the pack is Alpha Male. Alpha male can be a female human being but you MUST BE ALPHA. No messing, no favourites, no crap from any other pack member. "Mess me about and you get your arse kicked." If you fail to assert your authority the other dogs will start competing to take over as Alpha, which seems to have happened here. I can't advise as to what to do now, but in future make damn sure are THE BOSS.

 

Ric

Thanks rick you talk a lot of sense i know its hard to believe as its hard for me to get my head round whats happened but the dogs do as i tell them and i have never had a need to arse kick ( but i would if i had to) my dogs i just think he couldn't work the situation out and joined in i got bit

 

Next time don't stick yer hand in! Kick ass! Shout swear hand out big thumps in all directions and let them know that you're as mad as a snake! Don't bother being "fair" just assert your authority BIG TIME!

ATB for the future,

Ric

 

 

tracey when with the dogs take not messing as Ric says just think your in the chatroon iron lady hope your alright .. ..john

[Hollie 21]

I think that when your wounds have healed and you feel physically strong enough you should muzzle both dogs, stick their leads on and MAKE them walk together, 1 either side of you, YOU are in control and you make them tolerate each other, no faffing about, calm, confident and in control, don't take any messing and project that you are the leader and they will bloody well do as you say, you don't need to be mean, just show that what you say go's, even if you only do it once, just to show yourself and them that you can do it, it will boost your confidence and although i very much doubt these to could ever be trusted together, just doing it will make you feel better

They can't be muzzled for evermore.

There will be opprtunities to get at each other again, and they WILL fight again.

 

 

If you read back i stated that i doubt they could ever be trusted together and im not suggesting doing this everyday but if it were me, i would do it, even if just once, to show that i can and to prove to myself that i could do it.

 

When i had my GSD X Husky my friend had a Mal X collie, both big powerful dogs, 1 day, without warning they kicked off, somehow we managed to seperate them without getting injured, straight away both were put back onto a lead and we finished our walk making them walk side by side, at the end of the day, we had to show that we were in control and they would do as we said!

[elkhound 2]

doesnt anyone break a kennel fight up with a bucket of water anymore?

 

failing that i use a broom handle,i only use my hands when they have stopped and thats to restrain by collar and check for injuries.

[Guest traceyg]

I would just like to add my last bit to this post.

 

I got up very early this morning when the old man had gone to work and the kids were still in bed .Got myself a coffee and went in to the garden let out the whippet, lab and the terrier that bit me (The other whippet was indoors were she has been since new years eve except for the day of the incident) As I sat there with the dogs I knew he wasn't a bad dog. And after reading this post over and over again I have decided I am going to give the terrier another chance .I know some of you will be reading this saying silly bitch and others saying good on you girl .As I have had lots of different advice from you guys .But I am sure in my heart the terrier is not a bad dog and I do have respect from them. But for some reason I will never understand why it happened.My biggest regret is why didn't i do things differently . I hope more then anything I am doing the right thing but I have not taken this decision lightly and I would like to say a big THANK YOU to you THL members for your help and pms . And a massive thanks to my kids for telling me I am 100% right in my decision. Thanks again TG

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

...the terrier responded the way it did because as they started to fight (again because only one was muzzled )you , in your own addmission started screaming at them to stop , like it or not the screaming and the fight intermittently roused the terrier into survival mode(being pack animals )to fight with the screaming party (you)pack animals will and frequently do fight , to the death sometimes , when it all kicks off.

 

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Nah, it don't make a blind bit of difference what you think the terrier thought, it should never of bit it's owner, no matter what!

 

How many more times will she have to listen to excuses and reasons why the dog has reacted completely unreasonably before it ends up doing something serious to someone else or even a kid?