Stag hounds

[NORELATION 6]

There is an excellent topic on deerhounds on this forum and i didn't want to sabotage the thread with this question to you genuine deerhound, deerhound x enthusiasts.

 

Would these stag hounds have much use at this side of the pond? could it even be a way of possibly saving the working deerhound and restoring old type?

 

Do you think there would be much interest from the lurcher world over here if for example a couple of proven american stag hound stud dogs were brought over?

 

Maybe the scotish deerhound is fine the way it is and there is enough good working strains. and maybe the staghound would be no use what so ever for the game we run here?

 

Just wondering what peoples opinions are?

and which of you would consider breeding a grey, lurcher or deerhound to a proven stud staghound if the opportunity arose?

 

P.S Thanks dan edwards for the pictures and information on the stags that you put on the other thread. You also brought some good points to the forefront.

[whin 463]

some of the stag hounds ive saw would have alot to offer for large game and truthully if i could be botherd with all the hassle i would have a few over here mate ,saw some three minutes plus on hard jack rabbits and ,taking coyotes without to much problem , they would be a good dog to put into any strain of dogs to get feet running pace saw them for ten seasons , more ability than just a strait deerhound greyhound ,you wouldnt need terreir in them to catch a fox pre ban , saw some great staghound types over the years and saluk x staghounds ,some would run on big land and snatch ahare no problem , and definitly pull larger qaurry down ,our pure SCOTTISH DERHOUND IS A MILLION MILES FROM A GOOD STRAIN OF STAGHOUNDS

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

The problem is that if anybody tried to import a real good staghound over there, it would be impossible. These ass clowns over here would rape ya and send you shit. I know I wouldnt send you any of my good dogs so why would anybody else. You would end up buyin shit dogs from phony ass dog jockeys and then get them over there and realize you took it in the arse and hate the dogs when they should have been culled not shipped to some poor fella across the pond. Just breed workers to workers like some of these boys on here promote and you will have great dogs. The constant breeding of these F1 crosses is not good. It aint no different over there than it is over here. These dumb sumbitches over here are ruining our old school staghound blood by constantly breeding more shit track type dogs into them cause they think it will give them more speed and when their dogs dont get faster they breed more greyhound into them never realizing the dogs have plenty of speed but they aint showin it cause they "DONT WANT TO" catch the critter.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

The problem is that if anybody tried to import a real good staghound over there, it would be impossible. These ass clowns over here would rape ya and send you shit. I know I wouldnt send you any of my good dogs so why would anybody else. You would end up buyin shit dogs from phony ass dog jockeys and then get them over there and realize you took it in the arse and hate the dogs when they should have been culled not shipped to some poor fella across the pond. Just breed workers to workers like some of these boys on here promote and you will have great dogs. The constant breeding of these F1 crosses is not good. It aint no different over there than it is over here. These dumb sumbitches over here are ruining our old school staghound blood by constantly breeding more shit track type dogs into them cause they think it will give them more speed and when their dogs dont get faster they breed more greyhound into them never realizing the dogs have plenty of speed but they aint showin it cause they "DONT WANT TO" catch the critter.

Dan...you the man As always truthful and to the point

[whin 463]

thtas for sure dan but i no some handy dogs over by i would get apup mate if that was my protocal,no use have done with the staghound over by like some have done with the coursing saluki crosses line bred collie lurchers and some other types ,i saw astaghound wind acoyote in the dry area of texas border a [bANNED TEXT] few hundred yrds away take aline push him out of thick brush and kill him after a chase good dog inmy eyes strong legs feet overall power, to do the job

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Yes pups would be the only way you could do it and thats such a big big gamble. You'd almost have to get an entire litter and cull accordingly. You'd also have to make sure that the man you got them from knew his shit and wasnt some phony cock sucker.

[NORELATION 6]

some of the stag hounds ive saw would have alot to offer for large game and truthully if i could be botherd with all the hassle i would have a few over here mate ,saw some three minutes plus on hard jack rabbits and ,taking coyotes without to much problem , they would be a good dog to put into any strain of dogs to get feet running pace saw them for ten seasons , more ability than just a strait deerhound greyhound ,you wouldnt need terreir in them to catch a fox pre ban , saw some great staghound types over the years and saluk x staghounds ,some would run on big land and snatch ahare no problem , and definitly pull larger qaurry down ,our pure SCOTTISH DERHOUND IS A MILLION MILES FROM A GOOD STRAIN OF STAGHOUNDS

 

Well lets hope that if stags do make it over the pond that its for the right reasons and not greed. A lot on this forum seem to be very interested in the stag hound as the American guys will know from the amount of questions that are asked and in my opinion it is only a matter of time until someone puts one on the boat. If it does happen it is something that will have to be controlled to a tea between a small number of trusted and serious enthusiasts who have the best sporting interests at mind. The worst thing that could happen it for every white trainered track suit wearing young fella to put their pocket money towards putting a stag hound stud dog over their bull x bitch that is worked once a month. First things first the stags would have to prove themselves over here . People cant have the attitude of these dogs can take these mighty American yotes so they will surely excel here! because most of you here know that that's just not the way sh1t works... Look I'm only thinking out loud and I'm not saying that these dogs are on the way but it only takes one man with a plan to make things happen. Lets just hope its the right man with the right plan..

[turnout 7]

looks like youve got folks trust dan think if you wanted to you could make few quid pal whilst helpin your cousins get fire back into there deerhpund crosses win win,if you wanted to do it that way me id prob breed a bit of good bull blood into the strain i know its hard to find real good bull blood but i can so thatsnwhat id do my opinion cheers

[whin 463]

be atrustd freind and get pic of litter next to him,the deerhound over here is nothing like the stag hound use have nowadays ,i cant remember the last time ive saw a good deerhound x, greyhoud , in the same class as a good line bred saluki cross , a few guys have them some were but not saw any localy for twenty years ,most are big lanky dogs as you say with swan knecks , very showy .but forr eal graffting dogs there getting less and less now ,i like your attitude cull them if they dont make the grade ,here people keep a dog even if it doesnt catch much or anything ,and bred of them to make a buck or two,go to a few of the bigger lurcher shows you see dogs that well havent been in the feild much , youse are lucky over by mate with your freedom

[whin 463]

they would do a job here, some are not to big 26 27 28 29 at shoulder and got balance and pace, ideal for allround work ,the bigger ones well a hill keeper would find work for them i no afew who would like them for sure, and ask aboput them when i come home from over the pond as they had very good deerhound types years ago ,it wouldnt be for money ,

[NORELATION 6]

looks like youve got folks trust dan think if you wanted to you could make few quid pal whilst helpin your cousins get fire back into there deerhpund crosses win win,if you wanted to do it that way me id prob breed a bit of good bull blood into the strain i know its hard to find real good bull blood but i can so thatsnwhat id do my opinion cheers

 

Just a point in relation to restoring the deerhound. Would it not be better to put a stag hound into the mix as it contains the blood of the original old school working deer hound? I dont see how putting bull blood into a deerhound will fix any problem. And im not talking about breeding for type here , im dead against that kc shit. what im saying is that these staghounds contain deerhound blood that is old stock and not kc and are probably like what the scotish deerhound would look like if the kc didnt make shit of them. im not talking about any few genuine working deerhounds left before someone takes offence.

But is it unreasonable to say that our deerhounds would look more like the staghounds if the kennel club didnt come into play?

Dan made a good point that we should just keep breeding worker to worker and create our own strains but maybe importing stags could speed up the process?

[whin 463]

of course it would be ebtter getting some good stag dog or bitch you soon would impriove your dog, you dont need terrier blood in adog he hasnt got running wind , and some are small to heavy for long slips on qaurry at times,ye a staghound would quicken up the breed standard ,if i hadnt saw them run for obver ten years i wouldnt have known any diffrent ,the are good dogs and the best are very good for coyotes whatever realy ,

[turnout 7]

yes i agree they would be better for for someone who cant get staghounds id use a dash of bull thats what i meant see how it looks

[artic 595]

looks like youve got folks trust dan think if you wanted to you could make few quid pal whilst helpin your cousins get fire back into there deerhpund crosses win win,if you wanted to do it that way me id prob breed a bit of good bull blood into the strain i know its hard to find real good bull blood but i can so thatsnwhat id do my opinion cheers

 

Just a point in relation to restoring the deerhound. Would it not be better to put a stag hound into the mix as it contains the blood of the original old school working deer hound? I dont see how putting bull blood into a deerhound will fix any problem. And im not talking about breeding for type here , im dead against that kc shit. what im saying is that these staghounds contain deerhound blood that is old stock and not kc and are probably like what the scotish deerhound would look like if the kc didnt make shit of them. im not talking about any few genuine working deerhounds left before someone takes offence.

But is it unreasonable to say that our deerhounds would look more like the staghounds if the kennel club didnt come into play?

Dan made a good point that we should just keep breeding worker to worker and create our own strains but maybe importing stags could speed up the process?

 

Good point, but like Dan has mentioned already, who do you trust to import quality not just any old staghound!!! Money isnt an issue, its usage!

 

For years we have got on with our own deerhounds and crosses, and worker to worker without any problems,doing the job correctly 100% and there are some top lines out there too.

 

Why introduce something else now? I see no point.

[L8SPORTS 19]

The problem is that if anybody tried to import a real good staghound over there, it would be impossible. These ass clowns over here would rape ya and send you shit. I know I wouldnt send you any of my good dogs so why would anybody else. You would end up buyin shit dogs from phony ass dog jockeys and then get them over there and realize you took it in the arse and hate the dogs when they should have been culled not shipped to some poor fella across the pond. Just breed workers to workers like some of these boys on here promote and you will have great dogs. The constant breeding of these F1 crosses is not good. It aint no different over there than it is over here. These dumb sumbitches over here are ruining our old school staghound blood by constantly breeding more shit track type dogs into them cause they think it will give them more speed and when their dogs dont get faster they breed more greyhound into them never realizing the dogs have plenty of speed but they aint showin it cause they "DONT WANT TO" catch the critter.

So true that Dan no one will sell a good dog but if I was you I would defo get the EDWARDS line over here bro if ther that good they will hae a impact on a lot of crosses