FAC Renewal / Advice Please ?

[mjr88 50]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

Edited April 7, 2010 by mjr88

[rowey 1]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

[mjr88 50]

Thanks for your swift reply rowey

 

So are you saying that the licensing officer will probably want written or verbal proof from the owner that i still have permission to use my rimmy on his land , or will the gun need to be registered to this property , in order to keep my FAC ,

 

John

Edited April 7, 2010 by mjr88

[Deker 3,478]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

Edited April 7, 2010 by Deker

[mjr88 50]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

 

 

Deker

 

I currently shoot my rimmy on a new permission but this is a verbal agreement only , so far !

 

When i say registering the gun , i mean going through the process as i did when i first took out my FAC 3 years ago , filling out the appropiate form and naming the new permission as where i'll be using the gun .

 

I hope i've explained this a bit more clearly now and any advice will be greatly appreciated , as i really don't want to give up my rifle ,

 

John

[JonathanL 4]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

 

If you have permision to use your rifle on a pice of land then that is sufficient. There isn't any system for registering specific guns to specific pieces of land - permission to shoot there is all you need.

 

As another poster has said, if you lose the land to shoot over then your good reason for possessing the rifle disappears. In this sutuation the police are perfectly entitled (and in fact should) revoke your cert, or at least the authority to posseess the particular gun.

 

Best advice is to join a Home Office approved target shooting club as that will be sufficient good reason to keep your rifles if you lose your land.

 

J.

[mjr88 50]

 

 

If you have permision to use your rifle on a pice of land then that is sufficient. There isn't any system for registering specific guns to specific pieces of land - permission to shoot there is all you need.

 

 

Best advice is to join a Home Office approved target shooting club as that will be sufficient good reason to keep your rifles if you lose your land.

 

J.

 

JonathanL

 

So i can probably keep my rifle after all with my current verbal permission

As for the shooting club , i was actually thinking along the same lines , and joining one ,

 

Thanks for the advice ,

 

John

Edited April 8, 2010 by mjr88

[JonathanL 4]

 

 

If you have permision to use your rifle on a pice of land then that is sufficient. There isn't any system for registering specific guns to specific pieces of land - permission to shoot there is all you need.

 

 

Best advice is to join a Home Office approved target shooting club as that will be sufficient good reason to keep your rifles if you lose your land.

 

J.

 

 

 

JonathanL

 

So i can probably keep my rifle after all with my current verbal permission

As for the shooting club , i was actually thinking along the same lines , and joining one ,

 

Thanks for the advice ,

 

John

 

They might want to see something in writing, even if it's just the landowners name and address so they can contact him to verify that you have permission to be on the land.

 

J.

[Deker 3,478]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

 

 

Deker

 

I currently shoot my rimmy on a new permission but this is a verbal agreement only , so far !

 

When i say registering the gun , i mean going through the process as i did when i first took out my FAC 3 years ago , filling out the appropiate form and naming the new permission as where i'll be using the gun .

 

I hope i've explained this a bit more clearly now and any advice will be greatly appreciated , as i really don't want to give up my rifle ,

 

John

 

 

I'm still a bit confused about this one, probably the brain slowing down with age!

 

I understand you do not have an Open FAC.

 

So, lets put it simply, do you have a piece of land you have permission to shoot on, and which is approved by your region for the calibre you are using?

 

If you do, then you don't have any problems, if you don't then you need to find some very quickly or join a target club. Joining a club will allow you to keep your firearms, (If the club is approved for everything you have). BUT you will only be able to use them at the club, (or other approved target grounds!)

[HUnter_zero 58]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

BTW. you do not need to fill out any forms, just prove that you have another area of land to shoot over.

 

 

John

 

 

The answer to your question is YES.

However there are a couple of issues you also need to understand.

If this is the only area of "passed" land you can shoot over, then you face losing your FAC if your licensing department found out that the land no longer needs vermin control to be carried out.

You will have been granted an FAC to carry out a specific purpose, for example rabbits or vermin control. If you can no longer carry this out, you no longer need an FAC. It's that simple.

The bottom lines: The police do not check that the land is still currently suitable for firearm use unless they have a reason or every ten to fifteen years. So, at the moment you can get away with it. When your FAC is renewed you will have to have an area of land to register your FAC on to. So, you need to get moving and find a suitable area of land that can be passed for firearm use. This could be your 'other' area of land, but it will still need to be passed. If the land is already passed, then your okay but when your renewal comes along or if the police cotton on that your original area of land has now gone, then you will need to prove that you have permission to shoot on your second farm, normally by way of written permission but even then the police may call or visit the landowner. If the land isn't passed and you obviously don't have an open certificate, then you can not shoot on this second area anyway, which means that having "just" verbal permission isn't really a good idea because you really need to ask the police if the land is passed before you shoot over it. You will need to contact the police and ask them to assess the land for firearm use, the police will not pass land if it's only safe to shoot from high seats (or at least that is my experience). The bottom line is that because the landowner will not let you register on his land, you are vulnerable to losing your FAC. You need to get out and about and get another area of land and refer back to the above.

The next best option is to join a rifle shooting club, you will have instant membership because you already have an FAC, however at the time of renewal, you will lose the right to shoot vermin.

 

John

Edited April 8, 2010 by HUnter_zero

[mjr88 50]

HUnter_zero

 

Thanks for explaining this so clearly ,

 

John

[mjr88 50]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

 

 

Deker

 

I currently shoot my rimmy on a new permission but this is a verbal agreement only , so far !

 

When i say registering the gun , i mean going through the process as i did when i first took out my FAC 3 years ago , filling out the appropiate form and naming the new permission as where i'll be using the gun .

 

I hope i've explained this a bit more clearly now and any advice will be greatly appreciated , as i really don't want to give up my rifle ,

 

John

 

 

I'm still a bit confused about this one, probably the brain slowing down with age!

 

I understand you do not have an Open FAC.

 

So, lets put it simply, do you have a piece of land you have permission to shoot on, and which is approved by your region for the calibre you are using?

 

If you do, then you don't have any problems, if you don't then you need to find some very quickly or join a target club. Joining a club will allow you to keep your firearms, (If the club is approved for everything you have). BUT you will only be able to use them at the club, (or other approved target grounds!)

 

Deker

 

Yes i do have permission to shoot on this new piece of land . And i've also just remembered that i've got a letter from the owner saying that i can shoot on her land when her new farm manager started work there ( this was about a month ago )

 

Also , i would imagine that there are many calibres passed for this permission , as there are other people who shoot different quarry such as , Rabbit , Fox , Muntjac , deer , etc

 

John

Edited April 8, 2010 by mjr88

[Deker 3,478]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

 

 

Deker

 

I currently shoot my rimmy on a new permission but this is a verbal agreement only , so far !

 

When i say registering the gun , i mean going through the process as i did when i first took out my FAC 3 years ago , filling out the appropiate form and naming the new permission as where i'll be using the gun .

 

I hope i've explained this a bit more clearly now and any advice will be greatly appreciated , as i really don't want to give up my rifle ,

 

John

 

 

I'm still a bit confused about this one, probably the brain slowing down with age!

 

I understand you do not have an Open FAC.

 

So, lets put it simply, do you have a piece of land you have permission to shoot on, and which is approved by your region for the calibre you are using?

 

If you do, then you don't have any problems, if you don't then you need to find some very quickly or join a target club. Joining a club will allow you to keep your firearms, (If the club is approved for everything you have). BUT you will only be able to use them at the club, (or other approved target grounds!)

 

Deker

 

Yes i do have permission to shoot on this new piece of land . And i've also just remembered that i've got a letter from the owner saying that i can shoot on her land when her new farm manager started work there ( this was about a month ago )

 

Also , i would imagine that there are many calibres passed for this permission , as there are other people who shoot different quarry such as , Rabbit , Fox , Muntjac , deer , etc

 

John

 

 

Thats one hurdle out of the way then..you have permission to shoot on a piece of land thet has a vermin problem. If you have not already done so, on the basis you do not have an Open FAC, you need to contact your FEO, tell him you have this land and make sure he is happy it is cleared for your calibre, if he is happy, then job done and your problems are over!

 

Don't jump to conclusions about other quarry and other shooters, the land may well be cleared for higher calibres, but these other shooters may also all have Open FAC, and the land may not be cleared for anything!

 

ATB!!

[mjr88 50]

Hi all

 

I'm about 3 years into my first FAC and i have a question .

 

When the five years are up and my ticket is up for renewal , will i need to provide proof that i still have permission to use my Rimmy on any piece of land.

 

The reason i'm asking is because the piece of land where my .22 rimmy is registered has been sold on to developers , and obviously , no shooting of any kind is allowed.

 

I have however been able to find another permission to use the rifle , which is mainly from Highseats on the property.

 

I have asked the owner if i can register my rifle to his property but he said no , due to the fact that there are enough people already registered to that piece of land .Also , i know that this piece of land has been passed for different Calibres , as a friend of mine who used to shoot there , used a Centerfire.

 

I've heard that when an FAC comes up for renewal it is ( opened up ) hence my original question as posted above ,

 

Many thanks ,

 

John

You still need to have nominated land as you did for the grant. The open ticket allows you to shoot on any land that you have permission on but the onus on safety falls on you and rightly so. In a nutshell you still need a dedicated piece of land as your main ground as it gives the required good reason for ownership.

 

 

AS above, and from what you say you appear to have no land now which means you currently have no need for the rifle or a FAC.

 

What is this registering your gun to a piece of land, do you mean permission or clearance for the calibre or what?

 

 

Deker

 

I currently shoot my rimmy on a new permission but this is a verbal agreement only , so far !

 

When i say registering the gun , i mean going through the process as i did when i first took out my FAC 3 years ago , filling out the appropiate form and naming the new permission as where i'll be using the gun .

 

I hope i've explained this a bit more clearly now and any advice will be greatly appreciated , as i really don't want to give up my rifle ,

 

John

 

 

I'm still a bit confused about this one, probably the brain slowing down with age!

 

I understand you do not have an Open FAC.

 

So, lets put it simply, do you have a piece of land you have permission to shoot on, and which is approved by your region for the calibre you are using?

 

If you do, then you don't have any problems, if you don't then you need to find some very quickly or join a target club. Joining a club will allow you to keep your firearms, (If the club is approved for everything you have). BUT you will only be able to use them at the club, (or other approved target grounds!)

 

Deker

 

Yes i do have permission to shoot on this new piece of land . And i've also just remembered that i've got a letter from the owner saying that i can shoot on her land when her new farm manager started work there ( this was about a month ago )

 

Also , i would imagine that there are many calibres passed for this permission , as there are other people who shoot different quarry such as , Rabbit , Fox , Muntjac , deer , etc

 

John

 

 

Thats one hurdle out of the way then..you have permission to shoot on a piece of land thet has a vermin problem. If you have not already done so, on the basis you do not have an Open FAC, you need to contact your FEO, tell him you have this land and make sure he is happy it is cleared for your calibre, if he is happy, then job done and your problems are over!

 

Don't jump to conclusions about other quarry and other shooters, the land may well be cleared for higher calibres, but these other shooters may also all have Open FAC, and the land may not be cleared for anything!

 

ATB!!

 

 

Understood