differences in greyhounds

[its ma baw 51]

me an me dad got a racing bitch over from ireland and bred her to a good track dog. i kept one of the bitches that was 24tt at the shoulder and weighed about 22kg.her brother was 28tt at the shoulder and weighed 53kg(77lb) and they had tonnes of stamina. they were about A4 to A5 grade when they were racing over 4 and were about S2 to S3 over 6 bends. the little bitch was a cracking working dog and i took rabbits( over ferrets, on the lamp and just out mooching in the day), decent sized roe deer single handed, a few hares at night an a couple in the day and she also caught a fair few pheasants aswell. so it isent just coursing dogs that can coursea and work. and her feet were good to 9 this was all preban by the way

 

Aye................. fair enough but could she make a good cup of tea???

[its ma baw 51]

Forty odd years ago, a mate of mine wanted to come out with me to give his track dog a "freshener" on hare, first run it hit a fence post and broke it's neck !! Last year a trainer I know, took two track dogs for a walk on a golf course; normaly there isn't even rabbits on this course, but Sods Law, they took off after a deer; one broke it's neck, the other broke a hock !! I stress that these dogs were track dogs, they hadn't been brought up to hunt. Were they unlucky, or just the norm for a track Greyhound ? Who knows ??

Cheers.

 

Fucksake mate, i'm gonna keep that wee story and tell the weans it as a bedtime story!!! Happy go lucky eh!!!

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

It takes a long time for an ex-tracker to loose its "running legs". The first time I let my bitch off-lead she crashed into a fence and nearly ran me over Everything is full throttle and no breaks.. its just what they were taught.

 

concerning the difference between the coursing and track. I like the track. They seem "on the ball" and alert. Where as from what I have seen from the Irish coursing hounds, they are a bit thick and dopey, but I am sure there are exceptions.

[border lad 1,047]

to the best of my knowledge, good coursing greyhounds were purposely bred, from good well balanced, stock, with renowned stamina, in there breeding,and again to the best of my knowledge they never saw a race track, they were never put into a race trap, again it was business, people and well heeled people, that owned these dogs,coursing was looked upon as the elite, for the running dog,in short it was the sport of the Landed Gentry, and you had to belong to a coursing club to, enter those competitions, to become a member, you had

to have 2 people to, propose you, my good friend, he has now passed on from here, won the Scottish national, coursing championship, with a dog called Dark Mountain, and another dog called 100 pipers, after winning, a major competition, you had a invitational, nominee,

for the Waterloo cup, but he had No success there, ((( I am not saying a track greyhound, could not course a hare, or make a success at coursing, you found that at least 90% did not have the Stamina for it,)) both those dogs were Irish bred, bought as puppies, around 12 weeks old, and reared on his farm, and in his scrap yard, they ran around with his Kerry blue terrier, that was back in the 60s how time flies ((( he also received a 12 month Ban for threatening to pull the judge of his horse, when his dog clearly won the course, but he was up against a titled Lady, and her dog won the stakes, ((( there was some GREAT coursing greyhounds, about in those days, and some very knowledgeable, trainers, yes I do admire the coursing greyhound, sadly he has gone into history,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

to the best of my knowledge, good coursing greyhounds were purposely bred, from good well balanced, stock, with renowned stamina, in there breeding,and again to the best of my knowledge they never saw a race track, they were never put into a race trap, again it was business, people and well heeled people, that owned these dogs,coursing was looked upon as the elite, for the running dog,in short it was the sport of the Landed Gentry, and you had to belong to a coursing club to, enter those competitions, to become a member, you had

to have 2 people to, propose you, my good friend, he has now passed on from here, won the Scottish national, coursing championship, with a dog called Dark Mountain, and another dog called 100 pipers, after winning, a major competition, you had a invitational, nominee,

for the Waterloo cup, but he had No success there, ((( I am not saying a track greyhound, could not course a hare, or make a success at coursing, you found that at least 90% did not have the Stamina for it,)) both those dogs were Irish bred, bought as puppies, around 12 weeks old, and reared on his farm, and in his scrap yard, they ran around with his Kerry blue terrier, that was back in the 60s how time flies ((( he also received a 12 month Ban for threatening to pull the judge of his horse, when his dog clearly won the course, but he was up against a titled Lady, and her dog won the stakes, ((( there was some GREAT coursing greyhounds, about in those days, and some very knowledgeable, trainers, yes I do admire the coursing greyhound, sadly he has gone into history,

 

good post right there

[chartpolski 24,163]

Perhaps people don't realise that places like Aintree, in Liverpool, and Gosforth Park, in Newcastle, were great coursing grounds until the mechanical hare took over and these great coursing grounds became HORSE racing parks, and the coursing dogs that attracted 10's of thousands of supporters were reduced to chasing a mechanical hare round in circles ?

Cheers.

[Leeview 791]

to the best of my knowledge, good coursing greyhounds were purposely bred, from good well balanced, stock, with renowned stamina, in there breeding,and again to the best of my knowledge they never saw a race track, they were never put into a race trap, again it was business, people and well heeled people, that owned these dogs,coursing was looked upon as the elite, for the running dog,in short it was the sport of the Landed Gentry, and you had to belong to a coursing club to, enter those competitions, to become a member, you had

to have 2 people to, propose you, my good friend, he has now passed on from here, won the Scottish national, coursing championship, with a dog called Dark Mountain, and another dog called 100 pipers, after winning, a major competition, you had a invitational, nominee,

for the Waterloo cup, but he had No success there, ((( I am not saying a track greyhound, could not course a hare, or make a success at coursing, you found that at least 90% did not have the Stamina for it,)) both those dogs were Irish bred, bought as puppies, around 12 weeks old, and reared on his farm, and in his scrap yard, they ran around with his Kerry blue terrier, that was back in the 60s how time flies ((( he also received a 12 month Ban for threatening to pull the judge of his horse, when his dog clearly won the course, but he was up against a titled Lady, and her dog won the stakes, ((( there was some GREAT coursing greyhounds, about in those days, and some very knowledgeable, trainers, yes I do admire the coursing greyhound, sadly he has gone into history,

Dark Mountain and Hundred Pipers were litter mates whelped in June 1977 so would of been lucky to course before 1979

Y.I.S Leeview

[lamper123 0]

me an me dad got a racing bitch over from ireland and bred her to a good track dog. i kept one of the bitches that was 24tt at the shoulder and weighed about 22kg.her brother was 28tt at the shoulder and weighed 53kg(77lb) and they had tonnes of stamina. they were about A4 to A5 grade when they were racing over 4 and were about S2 to S3 over 6 bends. the little bitch was a cracking working dog and i took rabbits( over ferrets, on the lamp and just out mooching in the day), decent sized roe deer single handed, a few hares at night an a couple in the day and she also caught a fair few pheasants aswell. so it isent just coursing dogs that can coursea and work. and her feet were good to 9 this was all preban by the way

 

Aye................. fair enough but could she make a good cup of tea???

 

here tea wasent that up to scratch. she always left the teabag in to long making the tea to strong an she never put enough milk in, but saying that her coffees were unbeatable :D

[poacher3161 1,766]

Coursing greyhounds WERE slower a well known greyhound courser from these parts had succes in courseing with dogs that did not grade imho i dont think theirs that much difference alot went on training and conditioning

Id be more inclined to think they were warned of than non graders Who was the coursing owner pm if you dont want to say?

Y.I.S Leeview

He had a pub at sheffield at one bit bin told he past away a while ago we went to the waterloo cup in 82 to see his dog whiskey judge run also had a dog called watling street years ago

[huntingalltheway 2]

i would agree that generally the coursing ones are heavyer and slower were as the racing ones have explosive speed and lighter built. in a coursing greyhound its not so much down to speed its down to how many times the hare gets turned and its on point basis. sometimes coursing greys are moved on to tracks as you lose points if they lift the hare. so the super over fast coursers are moved onto a track these are the ones that are to fast and lift the hare all the time and lose points. most coursing bred greys are a little less injury prone dont know if its just because there stronger built or what but seems to be the way this is my understanding of it but could be wrong. atb jamie

 

I don't think you're up to date with your coursing info Jamie.

 

True coursing dogs on the whole are bigger and heavier but how do you make them out to be slower? If that

was the case why have coursing dogs as surely someone would enter a "faster" track dog and beat the "slower"

coursing dogs every time.

 

You say " in a coursing greyhound its not so much down to speed its down to how many times the hare gets turned", I would ask you how many times have you watched coursing recently? There aren't that many turns in Irish park coursing, sometimes there aren't any. It's usually if not always the dog that leads to the first turn that's declared the winner so I would say it's all down to speed.

 

I've left the best to last, you say,-"so the super over fast coursers are moved onto a track these are the ones that are to fast and lift the hare all the time and lose points". There are numerous things wrong with that statement, for a start if they are "super over fast" and "too fast" surely they will lead up and then it wouldn't matter if they lifted the hare or not as they'd be leading anyway. Secondly the dogs are muzzled nowadays so it is quite a rarity for a dog to manage to get hold of a hare during a course.

 

Have a look on you tube at the Clonmel Derby and see what you make of it.

just thought id mention as i said it was my understanding, i wasnt saying i was giving factual info as dont watch much of the hare coursing anymore and when i meant lifting thats even with muzzle if they make any contact ive been led to belive its frowned upon and can lose points. thats what i meant by lifting. and also trying to state some of the very fast coursers are moved to track or vice versa and also was trying to explain theres more skill involved then just pace in a coursing grey then a track grey. so go through these statements and see if you understand better what i was trying to explain and tell people my thoughts so sorry to mis lead you in anyway but it was just what i was led to believe. maybe you could explain to me if its still on a points basis on the lead up the turns and contact with hare and so on or is it just turned into more of a track event but just using a normal hare instead of lure

Edited April 6, 2010 by huntingalltheway

[jimmy100 48]

Forty odd years ago, a mate of mine wanted to come out with me to give his track dog a "freshener" on hare, first run it hit a fence post and broke it's neck !! Last year a trainer I know, took two track dogs for a walk on a golf course; normaly there isn't even rabbits on this course, but Sods Law, they took off after a deer; one broke it's neck, the other broke a hock !! I stress that these dogs were track dogs, they hadn't been brought up to hunt. Were they unlucky, or just the norm for a track Greyhound ? Who knows ??

Cheers.

 

 

I've seen a handful of ex-trackers kill their quarry,..(easily),.and then,.. go on to kill them fecking selves,...poor sods...

I've always thought it a crime,.and damn cruel business to give away,.'free of charge' these beautiful creatures, to lads that are obviously going to run them on a live quarry....because, for every success story,.there are a dozen,.bone crunching,. painful disasters...

 

BUT,.I did once purchase a wee pup off some flapping lads at Aldershot race track...

 

Tina,.went on to catch plenty of deer and hares,.and my Mother kept her for 14 years...

 

I do believe the main reason for Tina's usefulness in the field,.was due to the fact that during her upbringing,..I NEVER actually told her she wasn't a lurcher,...and she acted accordingly....

 

All the best,.and good hunting,...CHALKWARREN..

 

 

TINA...

 

that bitch is spot on mate looks like you did a good job with her

[Leeview 791]

Coursing greyhounds WERE slower a well known greyhound courser from these parts had succes in courseing with dogs that did not grade imho i dont think theirs that much difference alot went on training and conditioning

Id be more inclined to think they were warned of than non graders Who was the coursing owner pm if you dont want to say?

Y.I.S Leeview

He had a pub at sheffield at one bit bin told he past away a while ago we went to the waterloo cup in 82 to see his dog whiskey judge run also had a dog called watling street years ago

I remember Whiskey Judge black and white dog, Watling Street mated anything that stood still long enough,Yes had a lot of time for Chrim loved his wildfowling as well, Used to bring a bus load of beaters from the pub with him to meetings.

Yes he has died not long after retiring from the pub and moving to Fiskerton

Y.I.S Leeview

[tote 856]

i would agree that generally the coursing ones are heavyer and slower were as the racing ones have explosive speed and lighter built. in a coursing greyhound its not so much down to speed its down to how many times the hare gets turned and its on point basis. sometimes coursing greys are moved on to tracks as you lose points if they lift the hare. so the super over fast coursers are moved onto a track these are the ones that are to fast and lift the hare all the time and lose points. most coursing bred greys are a little less injury prone dont know if its just because there stronger built or what but seems to be the way this is my understanding of it but could be wrong. atb jamie

 

I don't think you're up to date with your coursing info Jamie.

 

True coursing dogs on the whole are bigger and heavier but how do you make them out to be slower? If that

was the case why have coursing dogs as surely someone would enter a "faster" track dog and beat the "slower"

coursing dogs every time.

 

You say " in a coursing greyhound its not so much down to speed its down to how many times the hare gets turned", I would ask you how many times have you watched coursing recently? There aren't that many turns in Irish park coursing, sometimes there aren't any. It's usually if not always the dog that leads to the first turn that's declared the winner so I would say it's all down to speed.

 

I've left the best to last, you say,-"so the super over fast coursers are moved onto a track these are the ones that are to fast and lift the hare all the time and lose points". There are numerous things wrong with that statement, for a start if they are "super over fast" and "too fast" surely they will lead up and then it wouldn't matter if they lifted the hare or not as they'd be leading anyway. Secondly the dogs are muzzled nowadays so it is quite a rarity for a dog to manage to get hold of a hare during a course.

 

Have a look on you tube at the Clonmel Derby and see what you make of it.

just thought id mention as i said it was my understanding, i wasnt saying i was giving factual info as dont watch much of the hare coursing anymore and when i meant lifting thats even with muzzle if they make any contact ive been led to belive its frowned upon and can lose points. thats what i meant by lifting. and also trying to state some of the very fast coursers are moved to track or vice versa and also was trying to explain theres more skill involved then just pace in a coursing grey then a track grey. so go through these statements and see if you understand better what i was trying to explain and tell people my thoughts so sorry to mis lead you in anyway but it was just what i was led to believe. maybe you could explain to me if its still on a points basis on the lead up the turns and contact with hare and so on or is it just turned into more of a track event but just using a normal hare instead of lure

 

 

You're not missleading me mate you're missleading anyone on the forum who doesn't know feck all about coursing.

 

If you're not sure about something why write about it and give out false info.

 

Do a bit of research first if you're not clued about it.

[whip x grey 276]

Forty odd years ago, a mate of mine wanted to come out with me to give his track dog a "freshener" on hare, first run it hit a fence post and broke it's neck !! Last year a trainer I know, took two track dogs for a walk on a golf course; normaly there isn't even rabbits on this course, but Sods Law, they took off after a deer; one broke it's neck, the other broke a hock !! I stress that these dogs were track dogs, they hadn't been brought up to hunt. Were they unlucky, or just the norm for a track Greyhound ? Who knows ??

Cheers.

 

 

I've seen a handful of ex-trackers kill their quarry,..(easily),.and then,.. go on to kill them fecking selves,...poor sods...

I've always thought it a crime,.and damn cruel business to give away,.'free of charge' these beautiful creatures, to lads that are obviously going to run them on a live quarry....because, for every success story,.there are a dozen,.bone crunching,. painful disasters...

 

BUT,.I did once purchase a wee pup off some flapping lads at Aldershot race track...

 

Tina,.went on to catch plenty of deer and hares,.and my Mother kept her for 14 years...

 

I do believe the main reason for Tina's usefulness in the field,.was due to the fact that during her upbringing,..I NEVER actually told her she wasn't a lurcher,...and she acted accordingly....

 

All the best,.and good hunting,...CHALKWARREN..

 

 

TINA...

 

that bitch is spot on mate looks like you did a good job with her

 

 

thats what i want,,,,,,,,a grey that thinks its lurcher,,,,,,,,,,,,,one day iam going to try this,,,,as its one thing niggling away at me,,,,,,i,e bring grey pup on as a lurcher,,,,

that old pic off grey looks spot on mate

 

 

can it be done on a reagular bacis,,,,,,,,,,i dont know,,,,,?????

[border lad 1,047]

for Leeview, those 2 dogs I mentioned, were the only names that came to mind, the Late Hardie wright, he trained and part owned the

Waterloo cup winner called COTTON KING, 1954, a fellow called DOGGIE SCOTT, won the Waterloo purse around the same time, and Joe Thompson, trained a dog for Lady Birbeck,and my mate all lived with in 5 minutes of each other, all very successful coursing greyhound trainers and owners, ((( and throw in CHARLIE FRUID, from smithfield, only about 15 miles further on, a bank of knowledgeable, fellows

on coursing greyhounds,