Duces first cat

[machine73 9]

If any of ya'll ever get on this side of the pond and find yourselves in Texas, I can do my best to hook you up with a hog hunt with dogs and knives. It's something you just have to experience to appreciate. Then you guys can educate me on groundwork.

 

The type of dog you guys refer to that really gets stuck in with a hog we call "gritty". Some folks want very gritty dogs... others want a looser baying type. They both have their place, but grittier dogs tend to get beat up much worse. I prefer my terriers to stay away from the business end of a hog and not shy away from putting their teeth into a pigs rear end to stop it from running. I have one that does it alright, but the other is a lot grittier and is still figuring it out.

 

SGS, are you planning on using your terrier as a decoy dog?

 

Sean

[waidmann 105]

If any of ya'll ever get on this side of the pond and find yourselves in Texas, I can do my best to hook you up with a hog hunt with dogs and knives. It's something you just have to experience to appreciate. Then you guys can educate me on groundwork.

 

The type of dog you guys refer to that really gets stuck in with a hog we call "gritty". Some folks want very gritty dogs... others want a looser baying type. They both have their place, but grittier dogs tend to get beat up much worse. I prefer my terriers to stay away from the business end of a hog and not shy away from putting their teeth into a pigs rear end to stop it from running. I have one that does it alright, but the other is a lot grittier and is still figuring it out.

 

 

 

 

 

i have had the pleasure of working pigs and deer with dogs bud(primarily with firearms) and have also had to help out with the knife and lance( i must admit i found it exillerating every time the dogs had them covered and held ).

its a fit mans job thats for sure,

 

waidmann

[judge2010 196]

I would love to hunt with the very best lined Dogo Argentinos, I have videos off them on hog hunts and they are remarkable.

[machine73 9]

I would love to hunt with the very best lined Dogo Argentinos, I have videos off them on hog hunts and they are remarkable.

 

Sorry to keep highjacking. There are some full blood dogos in use around where I live. We see a lot of crosses: amerigos (dogo x American bulldog) and catdos (catahoulha x dogo). There are more pitbull and pitbull crosses being used for catchdogs than anything. Dogos are starting to become popular with the showdog crowd and it is spelling their doom... ya'll can relate to that.

 

Sean

[Kye 77]

Hi guys,..

ive had one bobcat to ground, in a rock pile, with a terrier,..it was cool and i would do it again, but it wasnt all that great. bobcats have been hunted with staghounds and bull x stags, and the dogs go through them like butter,...i also know of a few dogs that have KILLED Mt.lion,...you can call bull shit on it if you want, i dont care, but it can be done, has been done, and will be done again...im not naming people or dogs, but these guys and there dogs, are/where the real deal.

 

Kye..

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

sorry to press the point mate but the dog is seven months old, i think alot of dogs would run away from a cat twice their size if not more.

 

from the original post the dog was surprised to see the cat.

 

and lastly nobody has spoken of the dog being "game" (who could at that age?) unless i have missed something?

 

waidmann

 

Oop's I obviously did miss something then. I didn't realise that the dog was only 7 months old, that's fair enough and my apologies.

 

No pup should be going anywhere near dangerous quarry like that.

[judge2010 196]

Hi guys,..

ive had one bobcat to ground, in a rock pile, with a terrier,..it was cool and i would do it again, but it wasnt all that great. bobcats have been hunted with staghounds and bull x stags, and the dogs go through them like butter,...i also know of a few dogs that have KILLED Mt.lion,...you can call bull shit on it if you want, i dont care, but it can be done, has been done, and will be done again...im not naming people or dogs, but these guys and there dogs, are/where the real deal.

 

Kye..

Hi

 

Could you tell us about the dogs that killed MT Lion mate?

[Kye 77]

Not going to go into to much detail, some owners, and there dogs are still alive, some are gone now, to the happy hunting ground in the sky. A 140lbs Mt Lion was killed buy 4 Staghounds, I know of a 75lbs Mt Lion killed in New Mexico, with one Staghound, and a Bull Stag took a MtLion. Not sure the weight, but think it was around 90lbs.

[chrissy32 13]

im confused as to how that is the terriers first cat seeing as it done a runner from it and you shot it???

 

did you buy it with the intention to use it as bait haha

 

 

If your going after Bobcats mate maybe try a bigger dog i.e Dogo Argentino would be a better match.

 

We call in most of the predators and shoot them before letting the dog loose.We use the dog as a blood trailer for predators and several other species - since the bobcat in the picture she has caught or treed several wounded Grey Fox and a couple of other bobcat's - she knows to stay out of reach from the bobcats and she is more than a match for a Grey Fox. We have also trained her to blood-trail deer - We archery hunt for deer and Elk , when you shoot an animal with a razor tip / broad-head arrow the animal bleeds to death and can sometimes run leaving a hard to find trail. A dog trained to blood trail is invaluable for big game recovery - some times even a rifle hunter will accidentally wound a deer or an Elk. She is a worker we have had several calls to help find a wounded/lost deer and she found them all one was about 1/2 mile from where it was shot. SHE IS A WORKER - She also picks up shed antlers.

I have had bull cross dog's , mastifs , German Wirehair and other larger dogs and hounds - Duce is one of the smartest dogs I have ever owned I never thought I would like a small dog but she has earned her keep around my hunting camps. A big dog in a small package. Easy to bring along on any outing.

For our style of hunting Duce or any well trained terrier is more than enough dog even for Mt lions. I am planning on training up some Jag Terriers for treeing Mt Lions and I will let Duce run with them. Bobcats and Mt Lions will run from a dog out of instinct and a cat has much lower stamina than a dog - When a cat tires from running it climbs a tree or cliff or to escape from a barking dog even a couple of small dogs can tree a bobcat or a lion. With Mt lions hard dogs get killed very quickly and with monotonous regularity.....

Thanks for the reply SGS

good read mucker and nice one old nog

[stormyboy 1,352]

i would rather have a small(portable) dog to work most quarry,very rarely will i and most hunters need a dog to CATCH a bobcat,pig or elk the man is stalking and has probably alot more experiance of THIS quarry than any of us.

the idea of using dogo,mastiff etc make no sense to me as they would more likely take injury as they will try and stop the quarry whereas a lighter dog may use more brains and in the event of attack be more likely to fly away(lighter frame= less resistance for claws/tusks).

 

if a man needs a dogo,mastiff for a cat(allbeit a big bugger) then what would one use for a 200kg boar? a rhino? elephant? i'll give you a tip not heavy dogs,they are importing alot of terrier/teckel/gsp/bmh into namibia for exactly these reasons.

alot of pro bloodtrailers use terrier to "stop" (known as a bodyguard!) to avoid the expensive and extensivley trained bloodhounds being damaged where possible.

 

the phrase "strong in the arm,weak in the head" springs to mind.

 

the man has taken the time to post a report on an interesting hunt and out of boredom some see fit to belittle his efforts????

SAD.

 

waidmann

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Well put waidmann. Its a pity more cant see past the stop end of a dig.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

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the man has taken the time to post a report on an interesting hunt and out of boredom some see fit to belittle his efforts????

SAD.

 

waidmann

 

Waidmann he's posted into the terrier section saying it was his Terrier's first cat, When it clearly wasn't! I've had my pups looking in a few digs now and they've had a rag on a few carcasses but it was hardly their first Fox!

 

I missed the part where he said the pup was only 7 months old and have apologised for that, but don't go on like no one has got the right to post their opinion in when they don't agree with what's being said. If he or you can't handle people having different opinions then why join a forum to start with?

 

Well put waidmann. Its a pity more cant see past the stop end of a dig.

 

What sort of ridiculous comment is that?

[whin 463]

alrite killing amountain lion what state is the dog going be in or dogs theyll not be out the next day saww people with dogs who are capable of tackling young mountain lions but not prime big toms and not be scarred up to death

[waidmann 105]

sorry bud we seem to have our lines crossed here,its not my dog

i've just flicked back through and couldn't see where i said it was the dogs first cat( i know as much of this dog as you and the next man).

 

waidmann

 

p.s. the comment from the above poster is just as valid as any comments made before imho,and exactly the point i have been trying to make throughout this thread.

 

lets not have a slanging match started on a decent thread and stay on topic,anything else we can do per pm???

 

thanks.

[Kye 77]

Whin,...the dogs took a little, but where ready to go again, in under 10 days,..TRUTH.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

sorry bud we seem to have our lines crossed here,its not my dog

i've just flicked back through and couldn't see where i said it was the dogs first cat( i know as much of this dog as you and the next man).

 

waidmann

 

p.s. the comment from the above poster is just as valid as any comments made before imho,and exactly the point i have been trying to make throughout this thread.

 

lets not have a slanging match started on a decent thread and stay on topic,anything else we can do per pm???

 

thanks.

 

Fare enough. I'm not interested in ruining the thread with a load of garbage name calling. You seem a reasonable chap, I just had an opinion on what SGS said and expressed that opinion is all. I didn't come on here just to slag him off, I just wouldn't of said that it was Duce's first cat when the dog had no real part in taking it.

 

As it goes I'd like to hear more about these dogs Kye is talking about that have taken big cats if he don't mind sharing his experiences with us .

 

PS. I never did say that the dog was yours.

Edited April 14, 2010 by Attack Fell Terrier