Duces first cat

[waidmann 105]

i would rather have a small(portable) dog to work most quarry,very rarely will i and most hunters need a dog to CATCH a bobcat,pig or elk the man is stalking and has probably alot more experiance of THIS quarry than any of us.

the idea of using dogo,mastiff etc make no sense to me as they would more likely take injury as they will try and stop the quarry whereas a lighter dog may use more brains and in the event of attack be more likely to fly away(lighter frame= less resistance for claws/tusks).

 

if a man needs a dogo,mastiff for a cat(allbeit a big bugger) then what would one use for a 200kg boar? a rhino? elephant? i'll give you a tip not heavy dogs,they are importing alot of terrier/teckel/gsp/bmh into namibia for exactly these reasons.

alot of pro bloodtrailers use terrier to "stop" (known as a bodyguard!) to avoid the expensive and extensivley trained bloodhounds being damaged where possible.

 

the phrase "strong in the arm,weak in the head" springs to mind.

 

the man has taken the time to post a report on an interesting hunt and out of boredom some see fit to belittle his efforts????

SAD.

 

waidmann

[Pops 19]

SGS

nice little dog there. keep up the good work.

 

Waidmann

bull & mastiff breeds are used when the hunter is taking the animal w/o a projectile weapon. argentine leoneros use the dogo so they can knife the mt lion or catch & tie it. good dogos just sort of know to grab the throat and lay down at an angle to the cat to protect his belly from the hind claws.

 

Judge

the little dog has a better chance of being killed by a wolf or coyote than either cat. cats have been dogged here for 200 years and know to run. there are hunters here that use ONLY little dogs like jagdterriers, beagles & stephens stock curs (run about 30-40#). that little dog isn't at any more risk than a bigger coon or fox hound would be.

Edited April 6, 2010 by Pops

[SHOTGUNSNIPER 47]

SGS

nice little dog there. keep up the good work.

 

Waidmann

bull & mastiff breeds are used when the hunter is taking the animal w/o a projectile weapon. argentine leoneros use the dogo so they can knife the mt lion or catch & tie it. good dogos just sort of know to grab the throat and lay down at an angle to the cat to protect his belly from the hind claws.

 

Judge

the little dog has a better chance of being killed by a wolf or coyote than either cat. cats have been dogged here for 200 years and know to run. there are hunters here that use ONLY little dogs like jagdterriers, beagles & stephens stock curs (run about 30-40#). that little dog isn't at any more risk than a bigger coon or fox hound would be.

 

Pop's

Thanks for the great info and thanks to all I have really enjoyed this thread. SGS

[erik 71]

nice work Mr SGS , any furs for sale.?

[turnout 7]

agree with waidman half of you commenting on his hunt have prob never bin to the usa what do we know about his ground an quarry its obvious if his dog was of no use to him he wouldnt still have it, think outside the box a bit lads dont be narrow minded.

[judge2010 196]

Fair play I was wrong.

[waidmann 105]

SGS

nice little dog there. keep up the good work.

 

Waidmann

bull & mastiff breeds are used when the hunter is taking the animal w/o a projectile weapon. argentine leoneros use the dogo so they can knife the mt lion or catch & tie it. good dogos just sort of know to grab the throat and lay down at an angle to the cat to protect his belly from the hind claws.

 

Judge

the little dog has a better chance of being killed by a wolf or coyote than either cat. cats have been dogged here for 200 years and know to run. there are hunters here that use ONLY little dogs like jagdterriers, beagles & stephens stock curs (run about 30-40#). that little dog isn't at any more risk than a bigger coon or fox hound would be.

 

 

 

sorry if i seemed against the bigger/strong breeds there pops,

i am aware that they have their uses for hunting.

in the situation pointed out in the original post he was stalking with shotgun and rifle and that the wee dog was not a catcher is clear(certainly not alone).

 

i was trying to point out that the use of the terrier/small dog is not restricted to fox and digging but they are as versatile as we let them/give them the opportunity to be.

small dogs in europe are prefered to fast hounds etc on driven shoots for a number of reasons.

 

small dogs take less punishment from "fighting game".often not being taken seriously by big boar for example untill they attack.

 

they will find and move game to the gun in very big areas(game will use rides where the guns are positioned) and bring them at a "shootable" pace.

 

they are less capable of "stopping" larger game,this normally only happens with wounded pigs or the pigs which know dogs and consider it better to "stand and turn" than to run,these pigs are the danger to the pack(thats where i come in and help with the knife,saufeder or pistol/rifle the latter being preferable to be honest as long as no risk to the dogs from secondary shots/splinters ).

 

i may have seemed a little "curt" in the reply but people talking rubbish of things they know nothing about and having the audacity to take the mick after someone has taken the time and the effort to share his experiances can "simmer my urine".

 

i have read that someone (judge)is man enough to apologise for "going off half cocked" and he is a top man for doing so

 

all the best.

waidmann

[tb25 4,627]

good intresting reading this lads keep it up

[erik 71]

its very simple big dogs get big damage and make more damage to the fur

,,damage on the fur is less $$$$$ and they eat more so big dogs cost more than they make

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

agree with waidman half of you commenting on his hunt have prob never bin to the usa what do we know about his ground an quarry its obvious if his dog was of no use to him he wouldnt still have it, think outside the box a bit lads dont be narrow minded.

 

It doesn't matter what the quarry is, a game terrier will try and tackle anything, no matter what size or how many claws or teeth its got. His dog turned and ran away from the quarry, so for me the dog isn't game. But in saying that the dog does what SGS needs it to do, so that's fair enough.

 

I'll also add that I can only imagine how tough them Bobcats must be, Feral cats over here can be right tough b*****ds so I bet they're a right handful.

[machine73 9]

agree with waidman half of you commenting on his hunt have prob never bin to the usa what do we know about his ground an quarry its obvious if his dog was of no use to him he wouldnt still have it, think outside the box a bit lads dont be narrow minded.

 

It doesn't matter what the quarry is, a game terrier will try and tackle anything, no matter what size or how many claws or teeth its got. His dog turned and ran away from the quarry, so for me the dog isn't game. But in saying that the dog does what SGS needs it to do, so that's fair enough.

 

I'll also add that I can only imagine how tough them Bobcats must be, Feral cats over here can be right tough b*****ds so I bet they're a right handful.

 

I hunt boar with jagdterriers. A terrier that tries to latch onto a boar isn't game, it's stupid and soon dead. I put the jagds on angry smallish pigs in a training pen when they are still pups. Without fail, they will try and latch on and invariably get rolled. It teaches them a lesson. The smart ones learn to back up and bay, to nip at the pigs hocks to get it to turn or stop running (if you don't think a little dog can't stop a boar you should see what happens when a 20 pound jagd bites into a boar's balls), dart in and out keeping the pig turning until the catch dog gets there. Overly aggressive terriers are of no use hunting pigs in my area as they either get killed or cause the pigs to run. Maybe not what ya'll would want out of an earthdog, but we don't have a lot of ground game in my area of Texas. What we do have though, is an abundance of hogs.

 

SGS, what is the range on your jagds and what lines are they out of?

 

Sean

[Guest eastmids]

agree with waidman half of you commenting on his hunt have prob never bin to the usa what do we know about his ground an quarry its obvious if his dog was of no use to him he wouldnt still have it, think outside the box a bit lads dont be narrow minded.

well said fella it gets embarrassing at times ,we havent hunted wolves/bears(not sure wether we had big cats here) for centuries and beyond and still telling people what dogs to use and how its done.

thats a lovely truck in the picture to

[waidmann 105]

agree with waidman half of you commenting on his hunt have prob never bin to the usa what do we know about his ground an quarry its obvious if his dog was of no use to him he wouldnt still have it, think outside the box a bit lads dont be narrow minded.

 

It doesn't matter what the quarry is, a game terrier will try and tackle anything, no matter what size or how many claws or teeth its got. His dog turned and ran away from the quarry, so for me the dog isn't game. But in saying that the dog does what SGS needs it to do, so that's fair enough.

 

I'll also add that I can only imagine how tough them Bobcats must be, Feral cats over here can be right tough b*****ds so I bet they're a right handful.

 

 

i think the terrier(or any dog for that matter) should have enough brains to decide when to stand and when to avoid stronger fighting quarry that way they get older.

cats can be very nasty for the dogs(especially to ground!!) and i have always found that dogs that don't mess around with barking and get straight onto the quarry(taking the initial punishment) seem to fair better.

i would not want any dog of mine to take on a cat of that size but sound off and stand off.

 

waidmann

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

 

I hunt boar with jagdterriers. A terrier that tries to latch onto a boar isn't game, it's stupid and soon dead. I put the jagds on angry smallish pigs in a training pen when they are still pups. Without fail, they will try and latch on and invariably get rolled. It teaches them a lesson. The smart ones learn to back up and bay, to nip at the pigs hocks to get it to turn or stop running (if you don't think a little dog can't stop a boar you should see what happens when a 20 pound jagd bites into a boar's balls), dart in and out keeping the pig turning until the catch dog gets there. Overly aggressive terriers are of no use hunting pigs in my area as they either get killed or cause the pigs to run. Maybe not what ya'll would want out of an earthdog, but we don't have a lot of ground game in my area of Texas. What we do have though, is an abundance of hogs.

 

SGS, what is the range on your jagds and what lines are they out of?

 

Sean

 

i think the terrier(or any dog for that matter) should have enough brains to decide when to stand and when to avoid stronger fighting quarry that way they get older.

cats can be very nasty for the dogs(especially to ground!!) and i have always found that dogs that don't mess around with barking and get straight onto the quarry(taking the initial punishment) seem to fair better.

i would not want any dog of mine to take on a cat of that size but sound off and stand off.

 

waidmann

 

To both lads, that's fair comment, I wouldn't want a terrier piling into a cat of that size either, but SGS' dog turned and ran away before getting involved with the cat. There's a difference between a dog that knows to stand off and bay and a dog that just shits itself and runs for its life.

 

A dog that runs scarred isn't game.

Edited April 12, 2010 by Attack Fell Terrier

[waidmann 105]

sorry to press the point mate but the dog is seven months old, i think alot of dogs would run away from a cat twice their size if not more.

 

from the original post the dog was surprised to see the cat.

 

and lastly nobody has spoken of the dog being "game" (who could at that age?) unless i have missed something?

 

waidmann