UNDERSTANDING THE SALUKI

[whin 463]

had saluki lurchers for near enough twenty years not just hobby dogs dogs that have to work for a crust , and saw lots of saluks, the best way ive trained my saluks is with an older mate anothe r dog, as i have collie types to who are pretty biddable ,they learn of the trainer dog ,and once they get past the year mark or more they are on the way to become the poachers companion as they say , i dont read books much ,but i no dogs . and no how to work dogs ,to me saluks are all [bANNED TEXT] and there good ones out there but let us remember performance in the feild trainability all come through breeding and good hunting dog knowledge ,the more you get out in the feild the better they become switched on to game and what you want no other subsitute,read all the silly books about training look at vids but if your not at the game regulary 2 3 times a week in the season your saluk will only be half the dog he can be,took me a year to train a saluki with a dash of greyhound in him but he ended up a very good game stopper ,i reckonmost of youse like the saluks to me there a hunting dog and if something comes along beter would have one but yet to see better for what i get up to at times , NEVER BE BREED BLIND ,

[Meerihunter 7]

Ive just ordered the Dog listener for 1p so hope its worth it.

 

Im also training a beddy grey, and they are 2 different kettles of fish.

 

The beddy been eager to please, the salukiX been much more laid back.

 

Interestingly I find my Salukis far more eager to please me, I just don't seem hold the same importance to the beddies as I do to the Saluki at least once outside that is, the beddies are just not interested in pleasing me they have their own agenda where as I am quite literally my Salukis world.

im reading what your saying mark ,not arguing just disscusing ,trying to play devils advocate but its not easy ,i know your very passionate about the saluki as am i ,and trying to be honest ,you ,i and others , tend to look and take more notice ,of certain traits ,some which my be termed as unique to saluki although im not sure ,as most of us have been type cast with the lets say ...western version..is it verging on obsession ?!!sometimes question that !!....think it may be !!

 

I totally agree Salukis and everything about them seems to take a really hold of you doesn't it!

 

Certainly my life revolves around Saluki's or the whole land race that is Tazi, Saluki Taigan etc, it is an obsession I agree, but they are worthy of such admiration in my eyes.

[whin 463]

THERE A ARABAIN LURCHER NO MORE NO LESS, AND LIKE OUR GREYHOUND THE SAME, THE scottish deerhound , but they are more functinal size wise ,etc and can still do a job so can some good greyhounds giving a chance ,never beenin love with abreed merrie ,just what does a job , i ve saw several coursing some you wouldnt love but some you would love as they run to kill, to me a saluk or any dog has to be performance in the feild , then good dogs other wise ,how do most saluk owners or say the beduion type peole rate them hunting performance etc first or how do the rate them as dogs

[its ma baw 51]

 

I totally agree Salukis and everything about them seems to take a really hold of you doesn't it!

 

Certainly my life revolves around Saluki's or the whole land race that is Tazi, Saluki Taigan etc, it is an obsession I agree, but they are worthy of such admiration in my eyes.

 

Totally agree with you mate.... Salukis are the be all end all

[Meerihunter 7]

This might seem lazy and i will probaly get a fair amount of stick for saying it but Im happy with good solid recall, I want and need a hunter, that can think and operate independantly or in conjunction with my other dogs, it also has to be sound running a wide variety of terrain.

 

Sit Stay lay down, moonwalk etc are not of any use to me in the field, nor do they appear to be of any consequnce to the saluki either lol, they do however sit and occaisionaly stay to command and i dare say now the bond is formed and they are maturing I could teach them to a decent satndard, unfortunately myself and the dogs prefer to go out hunting instead.

 

It boils my piss when people say saluki are thick and hard to train cos they don't respond to a quick slap etc, to be honest how can a dog be considered clever because it learns right from wrong via a slap or being yelled at? is it clever to stay around people who slap you? me personaly think it shows more nouse putting a few miles between yourself and the person who belted you.

 

What needs to be considered carefully is that dogs are not humans, the commands we seek to teach them simply mean nothing to the dog concerned they only understand the 'Pack', when we lose control all they see is a pack leader who is not strong enough to lead them, so they simply take over as pack nature dictates. Saluki being more 'primative' than other westernised breeds imho simply need less guidance than typicl breeds or crosses, saluki is born to hunt, course and catch quarry and has done so for centuries with great sucess, to the point it is still one of the most physically sound pure breeds ever. Let them get on with it after introducing recall, you might as well learn there ways cos they don't really need to learn much from you.

 

Work on forming a true bond with your saluki, and in time when he decides to submit to your steady firm leadership he will do anything you ask of him and more.

 

This is only my opinion, from what i have learned and there is so much more that I need and desire to learn, but it has worked for me, my days of looking into the distance as my saluki disappears, murder brewing in my mind followed by worry and eventually complete dispair are well and truly over, now i just simply enjoy working along with my saluki and other dogs, this way we are all happy and my blood pressure is spot on.

 

Top post Richard I whole heartedly agree. A natural recall, retrieve and heal (i.e the dog understand why behave a certain way and does it naturally to suit the sitiuation)is worth more than dog that simpled conditioned to obey commands IMO.

[Flamin'Nora! 50]

Totally agree with you mate.... Salukis are the be all end all

 

nobodys said that but as a breed they have some special qualities its good to see your time spent on here has helped you learn that

[riohog 5,701]

THERE A ARABAIN LURCHER NO MORE NO LESS, AND LIKE OUR GREYHOUND THE SAME, THE scottish deerhound , but they are more functinal size wise ,etc and can still do a job so can some good greyhounds giving a chance ,never beenin love with abreed merrie ,just what does a job , i ve saw several coursing some you wouldnt love but some you would love as they run to kill, to me a saluk or any dog has to be performance in the feild , then good dogs other wise ,how do most saluk owners or say the beduion type peole rate them hunting performance etc first or how do the rate them as dogs

you ask whin how do the bedouin rate them .... they are a neccesary part or there day to day life and coulture ,food guard companion .and have been for many thousands of years .reputed to be the worlds oldest domesticated hunting dog

[GarryN 5]

My old Saluki cross who now has the Life of Riley in front of my mates Mum's Fire was an absolute dream to work, always alert but sometimes Moody. When she wanted to catch she was an absolute Flyer when she could'nt be bothered was an absulute Snail. She always wanted to be in control of the situation and would never run tight in Rabbits that she knew would be a waste of her time. Mind when something was there to catch she would never give it up but she was very obvious in her ways that she was in control.

I go to see her every week and she does'nt even get up from the Bed in front of the Fire now just a lift of the head and a wag of the tail and "oh he's here again"

[whin 463]

ye they mabe did at one time i here there not got much game to hunt there nowadays in certain places i still think the saluk is a good dog but, nothing as well bred as the racing greyhound which is bred for performance and not some history ,what ive found is alot of salukis not that great for hunting when ive been in the states, maybe the people, but alot are shite bred for shows ,im glad there people on here trying to get working ability [bANNED TEXT] ,i hope ,i like the saluks etc but to me its what puts the game in the bag and can reproduce there self thats when you no your doing it [bANNED TEXT] ,i not a show guy ,not a breed lover its what performs in the feild that counts mate , my mate had saluks for years but compared to his crosses they are poor nowadays , but the ones he did have max hilda they could lay it down on a strong jack rabbit , they were some dogs , for saluks ,its good youse keep the pure thing going ,as without them we wouldnt have the good running dog we keep , if people put performnace first then we wouldnt have rescue homes etc shite breeding for money shows i hate the whole set up with the shows and what they do to dogs

[riohog 5,701]

yes ovcouse whin ,there isnt the amounts of game about in the arabian perninsula there used to be ,it fekin oil these days ,,and yes the show world has done more harm than good ,imo,,,but remember salukis reach alot further than the persian gulf and hunted regulally in iran .iraq turkey ,and the russian stepps ,but yes things have changed for some culturs ,inevitable ,the world evolves what does a saluki need to be ,,,,simples like any other hunting dog ,,,,,,,,fit for purpose !!!!primarally to be able to hunt ......

[Meerihunter 7]

THERE A ARABAIN LURCHER NO MORE NO LESS, AND LIKE OUR GREYHOUND THE SAME, THE scottish deerhound , but they are more functinal size wise ,etc and can still do a job so can some good greyhounds giving a chance ,never beenin love with abreed merrie ,just what does a job , i ve saw several coursing some you wouldnt love but some you would love as they run to kill, to me a saluk or any dog has to be performance in the feild , then good dogs other wise ,how do most saluk owners or say the beduion type peole rate them hunting performance etc first or how do the rate them as dogs

 

I can understand that some like Salukis for the novelty factor and than many onlookers might view them as such but make no mistake I love Salukis because of their ability when hunting, they fit my needs perfectly after having become disillusioned with the lurchers I've had and still have, injury being the biggest problem I had with them. I don't doubt for one minute there are other types of lurchers that could offer the same durability some collie bred dogs would no doubt be robust enough Bird's dog on here springs to mind however I just don't gel with the collie mindset. No doubt many Greyhounds/whippet types would take rabbits my Salukis miss, we all have different priorities mine is to have dogs fit to hunt everyday of the week whether it be mooching day or night, ferreting, lamping all regardless ground conditions and should the Ban be lifted any quarry.

 

I can see how to some people looking in on these remarks regarding Salukis there can be some difficulty to understand why some of us are so keen on them, The fact of the matter is that I personally get better results with the Salukis than I have with a variety of lurchers.

[Guest AngelicAcid]

The comment THE SALUKI IS THICK AS f**k comes to mind, and one that I have heard on a number of occasions by lads who have worked dogs with it in themand by lads who have never worked them.

But these lads still run them.

 

The bitch I have is spot on with recall, and started retrieving since last night.

 

Also jumps O.K. (on Occasions.)

 

She is a very laid back dog.

 

Ive only had her a few days now, but the bond is becoming a Firm one.

 

A.Gun, that is a good write up if ever there is one. And the other lads who contributed all have good ways of thinking and views.

 

Hopefully other saluki enthusiasts will add more experiences.

[riohog 5,701]

up untill the early middle part of the 20th century , the saluki .sloughi.azawakh ,wer believed in the west /europe to be the same breeding and showen in the ring as the same breed ,short sighted ness at the time ,as they are clearly different dogs ,and azawakh and sloughi are from north africa ..not the arabian perninsula or /old persia ,,iran /iraq but the name saluki is an arabic term from the gulf region ...iran and further north they are not known as ..saluki they are ..tazi /tanji....and still today a point to argue as to where they origenated ......in iran /persia /or in the persian gulf region ? imo they did not origenate in the gulf region !! but hey iam not alone thinking that !!

[asbo93 10]

[vanquo 2]

This thread's been a great read with some very informative replies since I last checked it yesterday. I totally agree with the comment about having more success with the carrot rather than the stick with dogs of this breeding. My saluki cross took quite a bit of work to get him settled in but once he was he became the best dog I've ever owned, I found letting him do things his own way was the best option as if he felt he wasn't doing things on his own initiative he'd have no interest.