Getting cross now!

[sage 0]

Right chaps, this has just got to stop! All this totally incorrect information that is being passed around the website. Sniping at bore snakes. Incorrect information resulting in people buying frightfully expensive cleaning solvents like Shooter's Choice, JB Compound, Dewey rods, Kano Kroil,Pro Shot jags and patches. Bore snakes are the finest piece of kit that has every been invented for the keen shooting man. I feel that every major rifle manufacturer should give one away free with every rifle. Bore guides should be abolished and oil should come in large cans with big nozzles so you can get a generous helping over everything to stop it rusting.

 

Regularly used bore snakes made from that lovely stuff, nylon, impregnated with oil containing nice amounts of carbon,and any odd little pieces of metal that they pick up and absorb only makes the item slightly abrasive - nothing to worry about, any fool can pull them nice and straight down the bore without touching the crown, so what if the odd one breaks off and gets stuck in the bore? Thats what we have insurance for. In fact, I don't think we should clean centrefire rifles at all, let's allow carbon and copper to build up in the bore like lasagne - as the next shot will clear it through. Manufacturers build these tolerances into their barrels and bullet manufacturers understand that situations like these exist and allow for them. I think far too many of you are donning anoraks and becoming far too anal about your rifles and the care of them. As I said before, this has to stop, because if this carries on, you will be putting the likes of me out of business ....

 

SAGE (gunsmith)

[RicW 67]

Could it possibly be that you are extracting the urine?

 

Ric

[char 0]

Right chaps, this has just got to stop! All this totally incorrect information that is being passed around the website. Sniping at bore snakes. Incorrect information resulting in people buying frightfully expensive cleaning solvents like Shooter's Choice, JB Compound, Dewey rods, Kano Kroil,Pro Shot jags and patches. Bore snakes are the finest piece of kit that has every been invented for the keen shooting man. I feel that every major rifle manufacturer should give one away free with every rifle. Bore guides should be abolished and oil should come in large cans with big nozzles so you can get a generous helping over everything to stop it rusting.

 

Regularly used bore snakes made from that lovely stuff, nylon, impregnated with oil containing nice amounts of carbon,and any odd little pieces of metal that they pick up and absorb only makes the item slightly abrasive - nothing to worry about, any fool can pull them nice and straight down the bore without touching the crown, so what if the odd one breaks off and gets stuck in the bore? Thats what we have insurance for. In fact, I don't think we should clean centrefire rifles at all, let's allow carbon and copper to build up in the bore like lasagne - as the next shot will clear it through. Manufacturers build these tolerances into their barrels and bullet manufacturers understand that situations like these exist and allow for them. I think far too many of you are donning anoraks and becoming far too anal about your rifles and the care of them. As I said before, this has to stop, because if this carries on, you will be putting the likes of me out of business ....

 

SAGE (gunsmith)

sage, i see your a gunsmith. do you make custom rifle stocks or is this a job for a specialist. Was thinking about getting a synthetic but i,m too much of a tradionalist. For me it has to be walnut

 

Char

[langouroux 14]

sage - i have also asked many questions on cleaing rifles and how to go about it blah blah.

 

i have fiends who have never cleaned their centre fire rifles and they are still good after many years of use....like 20+ years and many rounds fired.

 

However when i recently bought my Tikka T3 lite 6.5x55 helston gunsmith advise to clean regularly.

 

My originial mentor cleans his barrel with bore guide, rod and all the other relative stuff every 30 shots or so.

 

can we have some facts about how often or not it is worth cleaning a barrel please? i would really appreciate it.

 

And if you dont clean it how much damage it may cause, opposed to how much prolonged barrel life you will get from cleaning it regularly and the benefits of doing so?

 

many thanks

 

 

a very confused langouroux

[welshdragon 6]

Hi sage same here i would like to ask you the same question about gun cleaning. When and when not to clean 22 rimfire plus 223 .

 

atb W.D

[blackfox 9]

RE: Sage

 

You know id rather not talk about bore-snakes, or as i like to call them "rope that scrapes your crown and then snaps half way through fecking piece of shite"

 

 

As for Lasagne you know thats my favourite pasta dish, always goes down well with a glass or two of shooters choice and light drop of Kano Kroil. If lasagne is on the menu be warned that after a delightful meal it will be followed by copius hrs of following this methord , soak, scrub, patch.... weather its one shot fired or 50 be sure to do the dirrrrty work when you get home!

 

Ive learned that the ard wayz

 

 

respect

[JohnGalway 1,043]

This board...

 

Look. If your crown has been knackered it's easy fixed. Lop off the end inch of the barrel with your angle grinder. Get yourself some grinding paste and a marble, work away with that during Coronation Street and hey presto, new crown!

 

As for cruddy barrels, Sage is indeed correct. Forget all those expensive potions. Go down the local shop and pick up a bottle of Cillit Bang. Plug the end of your barrel, fill it with Cillit Bang and leave to stand over night, crud go bye-bye

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Awaits frantic and panicked posts of next week

[mattydski 560]

I have always been a fan of the 'Tilt to 45 degrees and give a hearty BLOW' method of rifle cleaning

 

Works for me..........and if you do it soon after firing a shot...............cool smoke and stuff comes out the barrel.

[provarmint 25]

You guys kill me

[CharlieT 32]

Such sensible advice from Sage.

 

I have been following his advice for years but take it one step further. I find never cleaning, even with a bore snake works for me. I just have my rifles re barreled every year, that way they never really get very dirty and saves me a fortune on cleaning materials.

[sage 0]

sage - i have also asked many questions on cleaing rifles and how to go about it blah blah.

 

i have fiends who have never cleaned their centre fire rifles and they are still good after many years of use....like 20+ years and many rounds fired.

 

However when i recently bought my Tikka T3 lite 6.5x55 helston gunsmith advise to clean regularly.

 

My originial mentor cleans his barrel with bore guide, rod and all the other relative stuff every 30 shots or so.

 

can we have some facts about how often or not it is worth cleaning a barrel please? i would really appreciate it.

 

And if you dont clean it how much damage it may cause, opposed to how much prolonged barrel life you will get from cleaning it regularly and the benefits of doing so?

 

many thanks

 

 

a very confused langouroux

 

 

My dear friend, it is a pleasure to share what little knowledge I have. May I include Welshdragon in this reply. I will resist explaining my cleaning regime as many knowledgable forum subscribers have eloquently done so before. I would, however, like to respond to a few of your items. How often should I clean my rifles? This is a two part answer, the manufacturers have spent millions producing a fine peice of machinery engineered to the finest tolerances that modern machinery will allow. The bullet manufacturers have equally invested useing the information from the arms manufacturers, therefore it seems logical that to get the best possible performance from your precision rifle barrel you are duty bound to keep is as near new as possible. Short answer - shoot it, clean it. .22 rimfires - really the same answer applies, and if you are very diligent, you will also clean it regulary. I, however, have to confess, whilst I am fanatical about keeping my centrefires clean, I am far less fanatical about my .22. I justify my laziness using the argument that it is a lead bullet, it is lubricated, it is travelling at a much lower speed and inherently far more forgiving when shot on a dirty barrel. I expect the top match shooting rimfire boys will put me in my place. To answer the question, what damage would it do to a centrefire by not cleaning it? I would like to liken this to teeth - you sure don't have to clean them and they still work well for a while, but in the long term I think we all agree it makes sense to get the Colgate out. Also to respond to the fact that many people seem to get away with not cleaning their rifles and yet still getting reasonable results - short answer, imagine how good the results would be if you cleaned it! Again, "it's performed well for ten years and I've never cleaned it" answer if you cleaned it you would tell me the same story in thirty years. Let's get one thing cleared up, I do not sell cleaning rods, solvents or, come to that, rifles, I am just a gunsmith, but one that has seen many horrors caused through neglect and poor products. For the readers that haven't got a good cleaning rod, good solvents and a strict cleaning regime - oh, and a bore guide (a must) - go and buy them. For those who haven't perfected a cleaning regime, scroll back through the postings and you will find many fine contributions from respected and knowledgable contributors to this site. On a final note, I would like to clarify for those who have not understood my previous sarcasm, bore snakes - don't throw them away, leave them in the bottom of your kit bag, the day you find that you have inadvertently managed to get snow or mud in the barrel whilst out shooting, they will get ou out of jail, as to their regular use, no way Jose - they screw up your rifle barrel crowns, regardless of whichever way you pull the damn things through. Hope this has been of some help, guys, I know I am opinionated but the opinions have been formed from years at the bench and the sights I've seen. If you love your rifles, clean them.

Regards, SAGE (Gunsmith)

[dave1372 83]

I apologise for my previous topic that started this all of guys!

 

I was speaking to the guy from Reloading Solutions today to buy some items and he was saying that if you don't clean the barrel the fouling build up can react with moisture which may be present which in turns creates a form of nitric acid which cause the pitting of the barrels, hence regular cleaning of the barrel prevents this!

How you do it a suppose will always be a matter for debate!