Time for another Thatcher?

[Malt 379]

Margret Thatcher she has now got wat she truley deserves as well as a brocken brittan senile dementia

 

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[PeakOil 352]

"Keynesian"

 

But now this is what Brown is doing.

 

Spending us out of resession or so he thinks.

 

800 Billion and counting?

 

The bastardisation of Keynesian principles by the current incumbents, future incumbents and all the sycophantic party toadies in the mainstream media really fcuks me off. I can't for the life of me find the paragraph in The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money that says the government should spend well beyond its means and run a sizeable deficit at the top of the business cycle. Then use off balance sheet smoke and mirrors, money printing and borrowing to finance a fiscal stimulus, that should be financed by being prudent (sheeeeet remember prudence, that word the prime minister used to use) during the so called good times.

[RicW 67]

Alastair, darling, has produced a Keynesian, Old Labour budget. And right to do so. It's pump-priming and it has to be done. All countries affected by the recession have shifted to Keynesian economic models. There is little point in sorting out the supply side until you have regenerated demand.

 

I'm off out for some cider before the tax goes on new deliveries.

 

Ric

[PeakOil 352]

I think we need another 5 years of New Labour consolidating all the increasing public debt in to one easy to manage loan with ocean finance. Another 5 years eroding civil liberties, passing knee jerk legislative diarrhea, more CCTV cameras, ID cards, DNA databases and more monitoring our phones, emails and web use. Satellite tracking of all cars and unmanned drones operating 24/7 filming the proles. More immigration, more taxes, more bans, more fines, more nanny state and more lies, spin, obfuscation, theft, sleaze, corruption and cover ups. After all that perhaps we might have a chance of real change, rather than another polished, spivvy actor promising the earth and then carrying on where the previous rotten statists left off.

Joking aside Peak, you do have a valid point. However; how far down the road do we have to go before the change will turn into a reversal?

Lets be honest, a reversal is needed. 180 deg turnabout!

I was listening to Geoff Hoon o the radio this AM. FFS these folk come in and walk out with a packet for fekin the country. Tony B Liar is reputedly £20 million richer since leaving office! That means that his kids will be able to keep the gravy train rolling in their house as they can afford the education have the contacts and know the ropes.

Get ready for the sequel folks!

We need a true peoples hero to stop this incestuous chain of power. Even John "2 jags, fat pie eating, braindead" Prescotts son is going into politics by standing for Hull in the next election! God help us! Although shares in Greggs and Mr Kipling are sure to go up (tip there for all the traders who obviously use this site when not buying and selling on tips from insider traders in the city)

 

Another comment on here was "most people wont vote" Now I understand the sentiment but FFS we can't let this gov't off the hook. And a hung parliament would be even worse!

 

I could go on but wont for fear of damaging by already fragile blood pressure.................I could piss lava at the moment!

 

 

rgds

 

Swampy

 

vote none of the above ning

 

I don't know but I think the general public at large are far from the tipping point. Another 5 years of Brown / New Labour should help us towards the cliff. I am fed up of eating the same $hit sandwiches but changing from white to brown bread and back because it tastes awful. Time to change the sandwich filling rather than changing the bread again.

[Swampy 147]

Margret Thatcher she has now got wat she truley deserves as well as a brocken brittan senile dementia

You could be talking about Brown!

 

Ninging for all the right reasons!

[PeakOil 352]

Alastair, darling, has produced a Keynesian, Old Labour budget. And right to do so. It's pump-priming and it has to be done. All countries affected by the recession have shifted to Keynesian economic models. There is little point in sorting out the supply side until you have regenerated demand.

 

I'm off out for some cider before the tax goes on new deliveries.

 

Ric

 

Surely this weeks budget will end up in the bin shortly after the election, who ever wins. All the bullets have been used up pre election to give Labour a chance at winning, leaving very little or no new ammunition to help the country through the post election wilderness.

[Swampy 147]

Bringing it back to topic.......why I don't know!........Put aside the financial situation. I still think Thatcher would bring about a positive change in other aspects of the country.

 

She ws very charismatic, forceful, determined, and clever. She would not have been bullied into any of the shite Brussels has done to Bliar and Brown!

 

Swampy

 

 

No more ninging this PM

Ning has left the building

[poacher3161 1,766]

Margret Thatcher she has now got wat she truley deserves as well as a brocken brittan senile dementia

You could be talking about Brown!

 

Ninging for all the right reasons!

I could be talking about them all is their that mutch difference between them??I just wish they all could get on with sorting this country out instead of trieying to score brownie points against each other.

[TOPPER 1,809]

i am just glad i don t run my bussines on gordon browns example of running UK PLC, you cant spend what you havent got and borrowing for the sake of it is maddness

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

 

I actually think those Labour Tw4ts are going to get in again.

 

Labour bought off voters, through benefit system (Cons might cut it) and Immigration (they sure ain't gonna vote con) are two expamples and look at the massive recruiting they encouraged for local councils etc. All the people on this gravey train will vote Labour and alot of other people will be scared of change.

 

Of course MOST people wont actually vote!

 

You've got a point, but lets not think that everyone on benefits actually want to be on them! There's people with skills that were earning a good living a few years back but have been forced into to dole queue because the work isn't there for them any more. I know there's people that love to sit back and claim, and I spoke to a bloke in his 50's just last week who said he's gonna vote labour because of the benefits he gets lol, but that isn't the case with everyone who's having to scratch every two weeks.

 

Besides that I think a lot is made of people defrauding the benefit system and sponging form it to try and take the the tax payers eye off the phenomenal amounts the government waste/steal/squander themselves.

 

It's easy to blame the poorer people in society.

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

I actually think those Labour Tw4ts are going to get in again.

 

Labour bought off voters, through benefit system (Cons might cut it) and Immigration (they sure ain't gonna vote con) are two expamples and look at the massive recruiting they encouraged for local councils etc. All the people on this gravey train will vote Labour and alot of other people will be scared of change.

 

Of course MOST people wont actually vote!

 

You've got a point, but lets not think that everyone on benefits actually want to be on them! There's people with skills that were earning a good living a few years back but have been forced into to dole queue because the work isn't there for them any more. I know there's people that love to sit back and claim, and I spoke to a bloke in his 50's just last week who said he's gonna vote labour because of the benefits he gets lol, but that isn't the case with everyone who's having to scratch every two weeks.

 

Besides that I think a lot is made of people defrauding the benefit system and sponging form it to try and take the the tax payers eye off the phenomenal amounts the government waste/steal/squander themselves.

 

It's easy to blame the poorer people in society.

 

Yes I certainly don't want to blaim poor peole, I would be much happier if per head they individually cost the state double or even more (not in actual cash) providing they worked. The government should have a responsibility to the whole country and to pay off poor uneducated and unemployed people with a few quid so they can f**k off and stay quiet is the most dispicable thing in my opinion. The opt for this because it is much cheaper (or so they must think) that to educate them properly then to train them and then to find them jobs. These people then have children who have no role model and no one to show them the way so they just do what mum and dad did and claim as well they have no chance and are forgotten. Being forced to work like in the victorian times would have at least given them some pride which is where 'working class pride' probably came from. I dont think anyone should be allowed to be unemployed, I believe the government should subsidise industry to ensure there is 100% employment.

 

Now this would cost me more tax and I am not just being altruistic because it would make a much nicer country for us all to live in, and those kids I mentioned would get see dad come home with the bacon (or soya mince if your a vegi) and grown up with a work ethic.

 

P.S I dont wish to sound like I'm painting every unemployed person with the same brush as if they're all scrounging gits. Alot of them want to work but either there is no jobs or the pay is sow low they are taking a massive risk getting off the safe benefits to earn a few quid more. If they then lose that job they have to start a new claim which means going with out money for a few weeks, I have been there myself many years ago.

Edited March 26, 2010 by Nik_B

[Swampy 147]

 

I actually think those Labour Tw4ts are going to get in again.

 

Labour bought off voters, through benefit system (Cons might cut it) and Immigration (they sure ain't gonna vote con) are two expamples and look at the massive recruiting they encouraged for local councils etc. All the people on this gravey train will vote Labour and alot of other people will be scared of change.

 

Of course MOST people wont actually vote!

 

You've got a point, but lets not think that everyone on benefits actually want to be on them! There's people with skills that were earning a good living a few years back but have been forced into to dole queue because the work isn't there for them any more. I know there's people that love to sit back and claim, and I spoke to a bloke in his 50's just last week who said he's gonna vote labour because of the benefits he gets lol, but that isn't the case with everyone who's having to scratch every two weeks.

 

Besides that I think a lot is made of people defrauding the benefit system and sponging form it to try and take the the tax payers eye off the phenomenal amounts the government waste/steal/squander themselves.

 

It's easy to blame the poorer people in society.

 

Yes I certainly don't want to blaim poor peole, I would be much happier if per head they individually cost the state double or even more (not in actual cash) providing they worked. The government should have a responsibility to the whole country and to pay off poor uneducated and unemployed people with a few quid so they can f**k off and stay quiet is the most dispicable thing in my opinion. The opt for this because it is much cheaper (or so they must think) that to educate them properly then to train them and then to find them jobs. These people then have children who have no role model and no one to show them the way so they just do what mum and dad did and claim as well they have no chance and are forgotten. Being forced to work like in the victorian times would have at least given them some pride which is where 'working class pride' probably came from. I dont think anyone should be allowed to be unemployed, I believe the government should subsidise industry to ensure there is 100% employment.

 

Now this would cost me more tax and I am not just being altruistic because it would make a much nicer country for us all to live in, and those kids I mentioned would get see dad come home with the bacon (or soya mince if your a vegi) and grown up with a work ethic.

 

P.S I dont wish to sound like I'm painting every unemployed person with the same brush as if they're all scrounging gits. Alot of them want to work but either there is no jobs or the pay is sow low they are taking a massive risk getting off the safe benefits to earn a few quid more. If they then lose that job they have to start a new claim which means going with out money for a few weeks, I have been there myself many years ago.

Easy!

Get back to a PROPER labour gov't. Introduce a minimum wage that is greater than you could get on the dole.

I know that there are folk out there who have mortgages and the banks were happy to fork out 110% mortgages with no deposit....but that is greed. Both partners working so they can bump up their borrowing potential and get a bigger house. Have laods of kids to get more child benefit. Single parent mums etc....Its cruel but you have to draw aline in the sand and say enough is enough. It'll be painful for some but in the long run better for the country.

Going back to chauvenism as I like to do...If women didn't work (or have to work as is the case sometimes) kids would have at least one parent who would be around to bring them up properly. Rather than them both being knackered and fobbing them off with money, shite food, comp games and kicking them out the door to get some peace and quiet.

Social problems such as feral kids would diminish communities would be stronger....ohh I could go on and on!

 

FIRST however is to get industry back into this country without eu influence or any other foreign influence for that matter!

This country used to be the engine room of the world.Lets make it that again!

 

Swampy

 

 

 

verging on revolutionary tactics ning

[poacher3161 1,766]

I actually think those Labour Tw4ts are going to get in again.

 

Labour bought off voters, through benefit system (Cons might cut it) and Immigration (they sure ain't gonna vote con) are two expamples and look at the massive recruiting they encouraged for local councils etc. All the people on this gravey train will vote Labour and alot of other people will be scared of change.

 

Of course MOST people wont actually vote!

 

You've got a point, but lets not think that everyone on benefits actually want to be on them! There's people with skills that were earning a good living a few years back but have been forced into to dole queue because the work isn't there for them any more. I know there's people that love to sit back and claim, and I spoke to a bloke in his 50's just last week who said he's gonna vote labour because of the benefits he gets lol, but that isn't the case with everyone who's having to scratch every two weeks.

 

Besides that I think a lot is made of people defrauding the benefit system and sponging form it to try and take the the tax payers eye off the phenomenal amounts the government waste/steal/squander themselves.

 

It's easy to blame the poorer people in society.

 

Yes I certainly don't want to blaim poor peole, I would be much happier if per head they individually cost the state double or even more (not in actual cash) providing they worked. The government should have a responsibility to the whole country and to pay off poor uneducated and unemployed people with a few quid so they can f**k off and stay quiet is the most dispicable thing in my opinion. The opt for this because it is much cheaper (or so they must think) that to educate them properly then to train them and then to find them jobs. These people then have children who have no role model and no one to show them the way so they just do what mum and dad did and claim as well they have no chance and are forgotten. Being forced to work like in the victorian times would have at least given them some pride which is where 'working class pride' probably came from. I dont think anyone should be allowed to be unemployed, I believe the government should subsidise industry to ensure there is 100% employment.

 

Now this would cost me more tax and I am not just being altruistic because it would make a much nicer country for us all to live in, and those kids I mentioned would get see dad come home with the bacon (or soya mince if your a vegi) and grown up with a work ethic.

 

P.S I dont wish to sound like I'm painting every unemployed person with the same brush as if they're all scrounging gits. Alot of them want to work but either there is no jobs or the pay is sow low they are taking a massive risk getting off the safe benefits to earn a few quid more. If they then lose that job they have to start a new claim which means going with out money for a few weeks, I have been there myself many years ago.

Easy!

Get back to a PROPER labour gov't. Introduce a minimum wage that is greater than you could get on the dole.

I know that there are folk out there who have mortgages and the banks were happy to fork out 110% mortgages with no deposit....but that is greed. Both partners working so they can bump up their borrowing potential and get a bigger house. Have laods of kids to get more child benefit. Single parent mums etc....Its cruel but you have to draw aline in the sand and say enough is enough. It'll be painful for some but in the long run better for the country.

Going back to chauvenism as I like to do...If women didn't work (or have to work as is the case sometimes) kids would have at least one parent who would be around to bring them up properly. Rather than them both being knackered and fobbing them off with money, shite food, comp games and kicking them out the door to get some peace and quiet.

Social problems such as feral kids would diminish communities would be stronger....ohh I could go on and on!

 

FIRST however is to get industry back into this country without eu influence or any other foreign influence for that matter!

This country used to be the engine room of the world.Lets make it that again!

 

Swampy

 

 

 

verging on revolutionary tactics ning

To think it was thatcher that made the country and the labour party wat it is today an offshoot of the tories.

[Dosser 52]

Swampy i'm suprised at you, still havent grasped that a tory puppet and a labour puppet are the same thing ?

Maggie was fully aware of, and comitted to a federal Europe.

Untill the public wake up to the fact that the countries problems are their problems nothing will change.

We are all responsible for our own actions (or inactions) and so the state our once glorious country is in, lies squaurley at OUR feet.

 

Get off your asses people, and do SOMETHING.

 

PS. peak oil for prime minister.

 

 

 

Edited to say, dont beat yourselves up about it, as we have all been lied to, on a gargantuan scale.

Edited March 26, 2010 by Dosser

[RicW 67]

On the contrary, the Mad Handbag hated the EU. She was living in the past, just like so many right wing politicians today. It's all very well screaming "When we had our Empire . . .bla bla bla". Problem is, we don't have our "Empire" any more. Before you start shrieking about how "Oh but if only" take a reality check. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. You may not like it but you have to live with it. Of course, you can always retreat into your fantasy world . . .