Stamina bull/greyhound vs collie greyhound

[hedz31 1,308]

There are different types of stamina too. Are you talking about run after run like on a lamp, which they would have done for rabbit coursing back in the day? Or long runs a la hare coursing? A lot to do with recovery rates as well as actual physical stamina. I’ve seen a collie cross take a puncture through the throat, one through the chest, suffer a broken shoulder, broken leg, get an 8 inch gash in it’s flank and have it’s guts half hanging out, and still not let go of a wild boar. It certainly didn’t demonstrate some of the qualities that have been attributed to a collie cross in this thread. And I’m from a bull background and love them dearly. Not everything is black and white guys.

you sure that was a wild boar and not a challenger tank that dog ran into did the dog live thats some list of punishment for a dog to be still holding something

[stabba 10,745]

Fitness is fitness whichever way you look at it... a 100% fit bullx will go all nite.. and put more determination in than any colliex will... colliex,s are well known for preserving energy by doing just enough to get the job done.. sadly doing just enough doesnt do it any favours on certain quarry... atb stabba

stabba ,if you do end up in my neck of the woods next season .just make sure you know what fittnes is ,i mean you not your dogs im looking forward to carrying you

i can mooch abit mate.. for an oldie... but when im being carried my tail tends to pop out

feck that you can stay where you drop .

we,ll have a do out next season definatley... i,ll start me training tomorrow

[Trigger 26]

i would say the collie cross has more stamina i have seen a couple of bull cross owners having to carry there dogs on a good nights lamping havent seen any collie crosses being carried yet.

[stabba 10,745]

Does anybody work their dog hard in the day and then the same night... coz thats stamina, because if a dog cant hack that sort of work... then it aint really been tested has it.. but thats just my opinion... atb stabba

[hedz31 1,308]

Fitness is fitness whichever way you look at it... a 100% fit bullx will go all nite.. and put more determination in than any colliex will... colliex,s are well known for preserving energy by doing just enough to get the job done.. sadly doing just enough doesnt do it any favours on certain quarry... atb stabba

 

Fitness is fitness yes, but on the other hand a boxer in top physical condition won't be able to touch along distance runner on a off day..

yeah but we are not talking about boxers and long distance runners are we,we are talking about dogs you forget we are not talking about pure bulls or pure collies competing you forget half the make up of either cross or more is made up from a sprinting dog both the greyhound and bull are athletes in the dog world a collie is a herding dog with a good brain, a bull is a game as hell package of raw power and does not know when to quit,a collie has endurance but it also has the brain to say ive had enough i am knackerd where a bull cross wont there is not many collie cross dogs you hear of that have run till they drop a good game bull cross would if you would let it

regards hedz

 

i dont understand this run till it drops bit?? will they be running fast enough to catch a fresh rabbit then drop in full flight or will they not be anywere near the rabbits pace but still trying till they drop (in the latter case a pointless run) !! at the end of the day you can want it as much as you like when your blown out theres nothing you can do!! theres going to be exceptions with all crosses but majority of collie types will naturally last longer than bull xz!! they might not be stupid enough to run themselves into the ground in a feeble attempt to catch quarry!! whats the point?? but it still dosent hide the fact that as game as you are if your body has gone you may last a little on grit but it wont get the job done against a fresh rabbit!!

there is gonna be folk on both sides of the fence kidder,only way to see in my eyes is some one run there collie cross against some ones bull cross on rabbits we aint talking pot filling here the debate is endurance am sure some one on this site has a good bull cross you could maybe run your 3/4grey 1/4 collie against it if not i know a chap has a 3/4grey 1/4bull i am sure i could get him to run it with you would maybe better if it was some one of this site though i am neutral to this i am just saying how i see it so i would be a witness to a said match if you like i think it would be a good laugh in the name of sport what do you think ??

regards hedz

 

i like that idea alot!! although it could be judged unfair as my dog paces himself and only runs full tilt when needed clearly conserving energy i think you would really need to run a collie x with the same running style to judge it fiarly!! but im definatly up for it as soon as hes recovered and i get a chance to get him back up to fitness!!

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sound good lads

i think its defo one of my better ideas keano fella, think if its all done in good humour and for sport it would make for a good contest and write up and a good laugh

regards hedz

[cooper101 86]

Fitness is fitness whichever way you look at it... a 100% fit bullx will go all nite.. and put more determination in than any colliex will... colliex,s are well known for preserving energy by doing just enough to get the job done.. sadly doing just enough doesnt do it any favours on certain quarry... atb stabba

 

Fitness is fitness yes, but on the other hand a boxer in top physical condition won't be able to touch along distance runner on a off day..

yeah but we are not talking about boxers and long distance runners are we,we are talking about dogs you forget we are not talking about pure bulls or pure collies competing you forget half the make up of either cross or more is made up from a sprinting dog both the greyhound and bull are athletes in the dog world a collie is a herding dog with a good brain, a bull is a game as hell package of raw power and does not know when to quit,a collie has endurance but it also has the brain to say ive had enough i am knackerd where a bull cross wont there is not many collie cross dogs you hear of that have run till they drop a good game bull cross would if you would let it

regards hedz

 

i dont understand this run till it drops bit?? will they be running fast enough to catch a fresh rabbit then drop in full flight or will they not be anywere near the rabbits pace but still trying till they drop (in the latter case a pointless run) !! at the end of the day you can want it as much as you like when your blown out theres nothing you can do!! theres going to be exceptions with all crosses but majority of collie types will naturally last longer than bull xz!! they might not be stupid enough to run themselves into the ground in a feeble attempt to catch quarry!! whats the point?? but it still dosent hide the fact that as game as you are if your body has gone you may last a little on grit but it wont get the job done against a fresh rabbit!!

there is gonna be folk on both sides of the fence kidder,only way to see in my eyes is some one run there collie cross against some ones bull cross on rabbits we aint talking pot filling here the debate is endurance am sure some one on this site has a good bull cross you could maybe run your 3/4grey 1/4 collie against it if not i know a chap has a 3/4grey 1/4bull i am sure i could get him to run it with you would maybe better if it was some one of this site though i am neutral to this i am just saying how i see it so i would be a witness to a said match if you like i think it would be a good laugh in the name of sport what do you think ??

regards hedz

 

i like that idea alot!! although it could be judged unfair as my dog paces himself and only runs full tilt when needed clearly conserving energy i think you would really need to run a collie x with the same running style to judge it fiarly!! but im definatly up for it as soon as hes recovered and i get a chance to get him back up to fitness!!

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sound good lads

i think its defo one of my better ideas keano fella, think if its all done in good humour and for sport it would make for a good contest and write up and a good laugh

regards hedz

 

i like the idea!!! look forward to it!! not sure if we'll change everyones opinions whatever way it goes but still be good honest fun!!

[Stabs 3]

There are different types of stamina too. Are you talking about run after run like on a lamp, which they would have done for rabbit coursing back in the day? Or long runs a la hare coursing? A lot to do with recovery rates as well as actual physical stamina. I’ve seen a collie cross take a puncture through the throat, one through the chest, suffer a broken shoulder, broken leg, get an 8 inch gash in it’s flank and have it’s guts half hanging out, and still not let go of a wild boar. It certainly didn’t demonstrate some of the qualities that have been attributed to a collie cross in this thread. And I’m from a bull background and love them dearly. Not everything is black and white guys.

you sure that was a wild boar and not a challenger tank that dog ran into did the dog live thats some list of punishment for a dog to be still holding something

 

He was certainly a big bugger Hedz.

Cost a fair bit at the vets to put the dog back together too.

Poor bitch has never been the same since on fast game

[hedz31 1,308]

Fitness is fitness whichever way you look at it... a 100% fit bullx will go all nite.. and put more determination in than any colliex will... colliex,s are well known for preserving energy by doing just enough to get the job done.. sadly doing just enough doesnt do it any favours on certain quarry... atb stabba

 

Fitness is fitness yes, but on the other hand a boxer in top physical condition won't be able to touch along distance runner on a off day..

yeah but we are not talking about boxers and long distance runners are we,we are talking about dogs you forget we are not talking about pure bulls or pure collies competing you forget half the make up of either cross or more is made up from a sprinting dog both the greyhound and bull are athletes in the dog world a collie is a herding dog with a good brain, a bull is a game as hell package of raw power and does not know when to quit,a collie has endurance but it also has the brain to say ive had enough i am knackerd where a bull cross wont there is not many collie cross dogs you hear of that have run till they drop a good game bull cross would if you would let it

regards hedz

 

i dont understand this run till it drops bit?? will they be running fast enough to catch a fresh rabbit then drop in full flight or will they not be anywere near the rabbits pace but still trying till they drop (in the latter case a pointless run) !! at the end of the day you can want it as much as you like when your blown out theres nothing you can do!! theres going to be exceptions with all crosses but majority of collie types will naturally last longer than bull xz!! they might not be stupid enough to run themselves into the ground in a feeble attempt to catch quarry!! whats the point?? but it still dosent hide the fact that as game as you are if your body has gone you may last a little on grit but it wont get the job done against a fresh rabbit!!

there is gonna be folk on both sides of the fence kidder,only way to see in my eyes is some one run there collie cross against some ones bull cross on rabbits we aint talking pot filling here the debate is endurance am sure some one on this site has a good bull cross you could maybe run your 3/4grey 1/4 collie against it if not i know a chap has a 3/4grey 1/4bull i am sure i could get him to run it with you would maybe better if it was some one of this site though i am neutral to this i am just saying how i see it so i would be a witness to a said match if you like i think it would be a good laugh in the name of sport what do you think ??

regards hedz

 

i like that idea alot!! although it could be judged unfair as my dog paces himself and only runs full tilt when needed clearly conserving energy i think you would really need to run a collie x with the same running style to judge it fiarly!! but im definatly up for it as soon as hes recovered and i get a chance to get him back up to fitness!!

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sound good lads

i think its defo one of my better ideas keano fella, think if its all done in good humour and for sport it would make for a good contest and write up and a good laugh

regards hedz

 

i like the idea!!! look forward to it!! not sure if we'll change everyones opinions whatever way it goes but still be good honest fun!!

nice one fella just need to get some bull cross folk interested now i know a couple of blokes maybe interested but think it would be better with folk from the hunting life,i am tempted to do abit of stirring myself between chaps i know see if i can get them out this weekend with there collie crosses and bull crosses lol

regards hedz

[Guest 2GOOD]

i would say the collie cross has more stamina i have seen a couple of bull cross owners having to carry there dogs on a good nights lamping havent seen any collie crosses being carried yet.

if i could have caught your man eater after he stoped chewing on me that night ,you would have had to carry him , : :if you could have seen your face when i set of after him ,

but i forgive him , :

Edited March 25, 2010 by 2GOOD

[cooper101 86]

Fitness is fitness whichever way you look at it... a 100% fit bullx will go all nite.. and put more determination in than any colliex will... colliex,s are well known for preserving energy by doing just enough to get the job done.. sadly doing just enough doesnt do it any favours on certain quarry... atb stabba

 

Fitness is fitness yes, but on the other hand a boxer in top physical condition won't be able to touch along distance runner on a off day..

yeah but we are not talking about boxers and long distance runners are we,we are talking about dogs you forget we are not talking about pure bulls or pure collies competing you forget half the make up of either cross or more is made up from a sprinting dog both the greyhound and bull are athletes in the dog world a collie is a herding dog with a good brain, a bull is a game as hell package of raw power and does not know when to quit,a collie has endurance but it also has the brain to say ive had enough i am knackerd where a bull cross wont there is not many collie cross dogs you hear of that have run till they drop a good game bull cross would if you would let it

regards hedz

 

i dont understand this run till it drops bit?? will they be running fast enough to catch a fresh rabbit then drop in full flight or will they not be anywere near the rabbits pace but still trying till they drop (in the latter case a pointless run) !! at the end of the day you can want it as much as you like when your blown out theres nothing you can do!! theres going to be exceptions with all crosses but majority of collie types will naturally last longer than bull xz!! they might not be stupid enough to run themselves into the ground in a feeble attempt to catch quarry!! whats the point?? but it still dosent hide the fact that as game as you are if your body has gone you may last a little on grit but it wont get the job done against a fresh rabbit!!

there is gonna be folk on both sides of the fence kidder,only way to see in my eyes is some one run there collie cross against some ones bull cross on rabbits we aint talking pot filling here the debate is endurance am sure some one on this site has a good bull cross you could maybe run your 3/4grey 1/4 collie against it if not i know a chap has a 3/4grey 1/4bull i am sure i could get him to run it with you would maybe better if it was some one of this site though i am neutral to this i am just saying how i see it so i would be a witness to a said match if you like i think it would be a good laugh in the name of sport what do you think ??

regards hedz

 

i like that idea alot!! although it could be judged unfair as my dog paces himself and only runs full tilt when needed clearly conserving energy i think you would really need to run a collie x with the same running style to judge it fiarly!! but im definatly up for it as soon as hes recovered and i get a chance to get him back up to fitness!!

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sound good lads

i think its defo one of my better ideas keano fella, think if its all done in good humour and for sport it would make for a good contest and write up and a good laugh

regards hedz

 

i like the idea!!! look forward to it!! not sure if we'll change everyones opinions whatever way it goes but still be good honest fun!!

nice one fella just need to get some bull cross folk interested now i know a couple of blokes maybe interested but think it would be better with folk from the hunting life,i am tempted to do abit of stirring myself between chaps i know see if i can get them out this weekend with there collie crosses and bull crosses lol

regards hedz

 

[the lamping ferreter 160]

a collie cross would have more stamina but in my opinion would be more likly to jack becouse they have brains and they decide if they wanna run or not bullx will run to the ends of the erth to kill its just in their blood just my opinion on the matter

[Bosun11 537]

Hedz, your answers are well thought out and for my money, on the mark

 

Though Stabs always comes out with a gem and in this case he did get me thinking I've seen good hill collies work there bollocks off on a hard day, all day and with no quit in 'em. Once seen a collie make a mess of a 'well bred' bull terrier and the collie was on a chain, the bull terrier eventually got the upper hand but that sheep herding mutt would have still 'gone' and was as game as when the battle kicked off, screeming for more as the farmer dragged them apart!

 

I suppose what i'm trying to say, is that I do admire that bull 'when the chips are down' attitude, get the 'right type' and they'll always 'go'!

Now get the right type of collie, now thats hard, get it and tune it in, thats even harder but do it and it'll shock ya, that i'll bet ya!!!!!!

[whin 463]

ran my collie type lurcher lana with several dogs over the years and several from these hunting life ,away back when it was moochers ,and never saw a bull cross , or any other type apart from saluks last with her in her prime ,she ran against good dogs , she was home bred and very fit with driving stbbles but had natural ability an drive ,bull cross or any cross in her prime came short apart from saluks , i rate the collie type ive had , had a lot more stamina , for running the big feilds localy than most dogs ,maybe she was a one off but had afew of that line which had balls and running wind ,she could do it all localy were i come from ,if a bull cross could last with that stamp of dog i would have one i vote the collie type i keep better than bull cross ,but im maybe wrong ,i once put up a fee of 150 pound , free digs and free hunting if any body had a male simliar to her collie type , not one turned up but had a few with bull crosses they done well , saluk bull crosses they done well,whippets done rubbish ., i think the hanckocks or bad bred colie type , a bull will live with them, but the real deals like her and ive only saw afew , well only agood saluk cross will beat her in the day time but nite time ferreting on allsorts pretty good ,her only problem not agood pet and only one thing onher mind catch so not a good dog to have if lots of game about ,even at ten shew an old bugger ,got me in troublee twice with pins in her leg at eight ,catching banned species in daylite

[colliejohn 840]

Well i will start by saying it,s each to their own, my personal preference being the collie cross types, i,ve been out with several bullcross types over the years, some good some very indifferent, a friend of mine off this site LamperJohn, has a decent bitch, but in my opinion, a collie cross is better suited for the rabbiting game, than a bullcross type, for instance they are lighter boned, they are more agile, they have more stamina, and they have more brains, now i prefer all these attributes, too a dog that is what i would call do or die type, too me theres nothing clever about a dog that chases everything it see,s, and at the end of the day still can,t catch the fleeing quarry, to me thats wasting energy, and if your lamping educating the quarry, spoiling it for next time, a experienced dog man knows when too call it a night but sadly alot of lads don,t, say no more, regarding stamina, a bull terrier, as a different sort of stamina to a working collie, a collie as a hell of alot more wind in it,s tank, to do the work it,s bred for especially the fell/ hill types, as we all know the bull terriers were pit dogs, to me their stamina was just as much mental than physical, never knowing to quit, some lads might prefer that in their dogs, but to me , do you really need that if your an out and out rabbiting man, i don,t think so, i feel sorry for the true and genuine bullcross lads who have bred their working types for years, because to me there is alot of poor substandard dogs of this cross being bred, due to the popularity and image status the breed has brought upon itself , and alot of the young un,s coming into the game, are misguided into thinking that bullcrosses are the be all, and end all, of all lurcher crosses, which is a shame, because there are plenty of other crosses out there, which are as good. regards collie john.

[bird 9,857]

here we go again,there both good dogs in there own right ,ive seen some good dogs go all night in both crosses and seen some poor ones perform in both crosses every one says the bull cross is to heavy ive seen some real heavy cloddy 1st cross collie greyhounds to, remember when folk comment there is different ways bred in each cross 3/4 cross ,1st cross,lurcher to lurcher cross ie 2nd gen or 5/8s 3/8ths etc it also depends what your running the dogs on what effort the owner has put in to make sure there dogs are fit etc ,i really do think when it comes to stamina between to the 2 i think you will find a collie cross will quit 1st because the bull blood in the bull cross will keep it going even when its body wants to stop, where as a collie cross will simply pull up and say ive had enough because they tend to be brighter it does not always come to stamina it can sometimes come to how game and keen your dog is i am not saying this is written law am sure plenty folk have seen a bull cross quit and we will hear stories of how they have but ill put my bottom dollar on it they were unfit or poorly kept

regards hedz

p.s. i run neither cross so that was a toataly unbiased opinion i run wheaten/grey

spot on, ive run both xs.And if you talking run after run,(20-30) most dogs to do that have good stamina.And (recovery rate) is the big thing,and as above its how much bull or collie in the mix, can make a big differnce( heavy type,thick coat,etc.....).Ive had to carry both types back to my motor, after a hard night in the lamp.I think of the two xs,to do it long term the bullxs would do it longer, where as the colliexs will stop when they have had enough . Bryn my 1x colliexgrey who as caught loads of rabbits this season, can + does 20-30 runs in a night.in my book thats good stamina,but he knows when (he) as had enough.? If you really want improve on stamina, you need a good lump of saluki in the mix, thats what i would go for next.??