donnyc 1,203 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Bedfordshire put mine down as fox and vermin..Some forces will not recognise fox as vermin.Essex do not class fox as vermin, not in writing anyway.Look up the definition of vermin in the dictionary Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Gwent pass both 22 and 17HMR as suitable for "Short range occasional fox" They don't state fox on the ticket BUT after having long conversations with both FEO's they recognise fox as vermin and both calibres suitable DAVE This is where an old boy like me starts getting confused with terminology.....it's passed for... "Short range occasional fox", but they don't say fox on the FAC...what do they say short range occassional about then and how do they define it?? Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I`v just had mine passed for close range fox /rabbit no problem but cant make my mine up what to buy?. So what is that all about.... does it actually say that or your FAC, the Fox bit is bad enough, and apparently totally undefined, but what is all this Malarkey about close range Rabbit...!! Yours The Confused Old Boy Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Bedfordshire put mine down as fox and vermin..Some forces will not recognise fox as vermin.Essex do not class fox as vermin, not in writing anyway.Look up the definition of vermin in the dictionary NO ...Please lets not start the old FOX/VERMIN business again....how does any other lawful quarry sound?? Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Well there you go .. Quote Link to post
Blacksheep 6 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 I have Fox on my FAC for .17 hmr with Dyfed Powys police Quote Link to post
pest hunter 151 15 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Im sure its ok if you hit it in the right place. I remember an old boy saying wait till its close and shoot it were the eye meets the bottom of the ear. but thats just my view Quote Link to post
Hmr Hunter 2 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Gwent pass both 22 and 17HMR as suitable for "Short range occasional fox" They don't state fox on the ticket BUT after having long conversations with both FEO's they recognise fox as vermin and both calibres suitable DAVE This is where an old boy like me starts getting confused with terminology.....it's passed for... "Short range occasional fox", but they don't say fox on the FAC...what do they say short range occassional about then and how do they define it?? Lol, Yes they in talking say that both Rimmies are ok for "Short range occasional fox" they obviously don't state that on anything it just a verbal agreement between friends Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 HMR is not great for fox, but not for the reasons stated earlier. 2550 is very slow in velocity terms, and HMR doesn't blow up that fast compared to some. Up close, it works fine, the tip fragments as designed and all is well. It's when they're used further out without the energy they need to work that the problems come - the little bullet whizzes through without expanding and causes very little damage indeed. Headshot, under 120 yards, all is well. Quote Link to post
Deker 3,478 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Gwent pass both 22 and 17HMR as suitable for "Short range occasional fox" They don't state fox on the ticket BUT after having long conversations with both FEO's they recognise fox as vermin and both calibres suitable DAVE This is where an old boy like me starts getting confused with terminology.....it's passed for... "Short range occasional fox", but they don't say fox on the FAC...what do they say short range occassional about then and how do they define it?? Lol, Yes they in talking say that both Rimmies are ok for "Short range occasional fox" they obviously don't state that on anything it just a verbal agreement between friends I've had a chat with my FEO about .22CF being up for Roe in Scotland but not in England...he agrees it's stupid and they are perfectly capable in England as well, nothing on my FAC of course, but he isn't my friend, so I guess that won't work! ATB!! Quote Link to post
Treacle Trackpad 6 Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 HMR is not great for fox, but not for the reasons stated earlier. 2550 is very slow in velocity terms, and HMR doesn't blow up that fast compared to some. Up close, it works fine, the tip fragments as designed and all is well. It's when they're used further out without the energy they need to work that the problems come - the little bullet whizzes through without expanding and causes very little damage indeed. Headshot, under 120 yards, all is well. True, I have shot rabbits < yds and removed the head complete, >100yds and the rabbits can look like they just fell over with no visible entry or exit. Still wouldn't use it on fox though, there are better cals Quote Link to post
Mr_Logic 5 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hmr works well in the head of Charlie at sensible ranges, but the sensible choice is Hornet. Costs the same if you reload, similar trajectory. Same noise level too, but a lot more lethality and reliability. Gotta love it. Although... Right now the cheapest rabbit tool I have is my 243, due to some cheap components... Quote Link to post
mattydski 560 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hmr works well in the head of Charlie at sensible ranges, but the sensible choice is Hornet. Costs the same if you reload, similar trajectory. Same noise level too, but a lot more lethality and reliability. Gotta love it. Although... Right now the cheapest rabbit tool I have is my 243, due to some cheap components... Well if you find your self unable to shoot it all before it passes the SELL BY DATE.......... I'll pass you my address, I'll let you share!! See.................thats what friends are for........... Quote Link to post
Treacle Trackpad 6 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 Hmr works well in the head of Charlie at sensible ranges, but the sensible choice is Hornet. Costs the same if you reload, similar trajectory. Same noise level too, but a lot more lethality and reliability. Gotta love it. Although... Right now the cheapest rabbit tool I have is my 243, due to some cheap components... I'm sure you mean 'value for money' Quote Link to post
andyf 144 Posted March 27, 2010 Report Share Posted March 27, 2010 hi, only a short one here for all the folk who's force area dont allow .17 HMR for fox. i am aware that my force wouldnt allow it for fox, but i have heard stories when people have argued their case after a while of owning one [or another caliber]. one of my permissions, not a lot of land but passed up to .243 anyway, farmer has started to see more foxes. i only have my .22lr or .17hmr, would i be able to convince the firearms dept here that as long as i am responsible, short range etc having gone out after rabbits but come across a fox could they allow my .17HMR as an exception. i have heard it done where the ground was only passed to .22lr but someone was able to convince the firearms team that a more powerful round would pose more danger etc, or if that is the normal weapon you are out with and the farmer really wants rid due to stock loss etc... just wondering if anyone has heard, some forces ok the caliber for fox but they are few and far between!! ATB Yes 17hmr is RUBBISH for fox, I had one for 2 years and although I only shot 2 foxes with it, had to shoot both of them at least twice, (I have two centrefires so never set out to shoot a fox with the 17) That said who's watching when you are out and about? Also neither fox made it to fight another day. I've also shot loads of foxes with a .22 rimfire, to be honest at close range (less than 75 yards) the .22 performed better than the 17. Anyway a centrefire .22 is the lowest rung for foxes in my opinion, and it seems in most police authority areas as well. AndyF Quote Link to post
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