Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Et Voila. Courtesy of my computer illiterate wife, bless her, she has managed to e-mail these from the comp at home. They are taken on a Nokia 6233. Have not been "doctored" and were taken seconds after the bird had swooped over the landy. Fresh blood was visable on the snow after the bird FLEW away which indicated that he may have killed it. We didn't see the strike though. The hare was easily recognisable and did appear to kick when on the ground. Unfortunately when my boy moved in for a closer pic he spooked it and off she went. WITH THE HARE! Romany. I'm sure you'll have an excellent reason why this isn't what we saw and that the hare was a mouse and the bird was a hybrid albatross X Golden Eagle. So I won't be adding any more to this thread in the knowledge that you do talk/quote bollox and that I know more than you! Try reading the thread on "changing your opinion" on this forum. I doubt you'll have anything positive to add! Superior ning Edited March 29, 2010 by Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romany52 313 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Et Voila. Courtesy of my computer illiterate wife, bless her, she has managed to e-mail these from the comp at home. They are taken on a Nokia 6233. Have not been "doctored" and were taken seconds after the bird had swooped over the landy. Fresh blood was visable on the snow after the bird FLEW away which indicated that he may have killed it. We didn't see the strike though. The hare was easily recognisable and did appear to kick when on the ground. Unfortunately when my boy moved in for a closer pic he spooked it and off she went. WITH THE HARE! Romany. I'm sure you'll have an excellent reason why this isn't what we saw and that the hare was a mouse and the bird was a hybrid albatross X Golden Eagle. So I won't be adding any more to this thread in the knowledge that you do talk/quote bollox and that I know more than you! Try reading the thread on "changing your opinion" on this forum. I doubt you'll have anything positive to add! Superior ning All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) Et Voila. Courtesy of my computer illiterate wife, bless her, she has managed to e-mail these from the comp at home. They are taken on a Nokia 6233. Have not been "doctored" and were taken seconds after the bird had swooped over the landy. Fresh blood was visable on the snow after the bird FLEW away which indicated that he may have killed it. We didn't see the strike though. The hare was easily recognisable and did appear to kick when on the ground. Unfortunately when my boy moved in for a closer pic he spooked it and off she went. WITH THE HARE! Romany. I'm sure you'll have an excellent reason why this isn't what we saw and that the hare was a mouse and the bird was a hybrid albatross X Golden Eagle. So I won't be adding any more to this thread in the knowledge that you do talk/quote bollox and that I know more than you! Try reading the thread on "changing your opinion" on this forum. I doubt you'll have anything positive to add! Superior ning All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. Or the biggest bird? Had I known that what we witnessed was to be challenged by an omnipitant. I would have rushed to my brothers house and borrowed his Nikon with bazooka sized lense, raced back and got a clearer shot of said event. However, being as this isn't something that occurs on a daily basis my phone was the only recording item I had at hand. Also why else would I take a picture of a bird on a corpse if it was a common occurence? I also recall that about two years ago whilst ferreting I had a rabbit nicked from the bonnet of my car by a Kite. Admittedly we found it a few yards away but it must have lifted it from the car and flown a little way with it. So I suspect that I might be wrong. It is more common than first believed! Rgds Swampy Unbelievable ninging Edited March 29, 2010 by Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning Edited March 29, 2010 by Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romany52 313 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. Edited March 29, 2010 by romany52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romany52 313 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Edited March 29, 2010 by romany52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Thank you for proving my point! Oh, I don't believe you about your Harris' weight........Prove it! But I guess we ALL have to believe YOU! What a complete and utter TWUNT! Disdainful NING Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romany52 313 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 (edited) All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Thank you for proving my point! Oh, I don't believe you about your Harris' weight........Prove it! But I guess we ALL have to believe YOU! What a complete and utter TWUNT! Disdainful NING You don't have to believe me, I read the fecking scales, who gives a f.ck about you. Edited March 29, 2010 by romany52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Thank you for proving my point! Oh, I don't believe you about your Harris' weight........Prove it! But I guess we ALL have to believe YOU! What a complete and utter TWUNT! Disdainful NING You don't have to believe me, I read the fecking scales, who gives a f.ck about you. Like wise! Surprised you can read ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romany52 313 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Thank you for proving my point! Oh, I don't believe you about your Harris' weight........Prove it! But I guess we ALL have to believe YOU! What a complete and utter TWUNT! Disdainful NING You don't have to believe me, I read the fecking scales, who gives a f.ck about you. Like wise! Surprised you can read ning I take it that, that's a sign of intelligence then, resorting to personal insults when you know you've lost the argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
craigyboy 1,274 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 heres another 1 romany what dya reckon mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 All I can say is smallest fecking hare I've ever seen. I know for a fact that my female harris, the same size as a buzzard, can not get a full grown rabbit up to her nest ledge. But your blurry tiny image says I'm a liar. I have just googled your Harris. Length 48-56cm 19-22" Wingspan 110-120cm 43-47" Weight 500-1200g 18-42oz A kite can have a wing span of up two metres and are considerably heavier. Especially the female. BUZZARDS on the other hand........ Buzzard: Buteo buteo Distribution: throughout Europe, except parts of eastern Britain, northern Scandinavia & Iceland. Habitat: open hilly & mountainous areas with copses & wooded valleys, secluded rocky coasts, sea cliffs, moorland, farmland and forests with large clearings. Description: broad, rounded wings, short neck & rounded tail barred brown & grey. Body plumage ranges from dark grey or brown to very pale grey - most are basically brown. Yellow, unfeathered legs & brownish hooked beak. Size: length:- 50-55cm. Wingspan:- up to 1.5m. Food: small mammals, especially rabbits, insects and carrion. The buzzard is the most common of Britain's larger birds of prey. Its mewing 'kiew' is a familiar sound in hilly country in western or northern Britain, as it soars effortlessly, rising on a thermal of warm air. Buzzard Habits Daily Life..........buzzards hunt during the day and are usually seen on their own, or in pairs. A buzzard spends long periods soaring, holding its straight wings motionless, with the tips of the primary feathers curved upwards and the tail spread out. The bird has very keen eyesight and as it soars, it scans the ground below for prey. Rabbits are its favourite prey and on spotting one of these, it swoops down quickly and accurately, grasping and killing the animal with its sharp, strong talons. It uses its hooked, pointed beak to rip the flesh from the body. The bird also frequently perches to watch out for prey, keeping an eye out from trees and fence posts. "In the wild, Harris Hawks prey on small rodents, such as rats & mice, lizards, small birds (often taken in flight) & small mammals, such as young rabbits. If prey is scarce, they have been known to feed on carrion." I'd get a better bird if I was you! Rgds Swampy PS You can't believe everything you read though eh? Soaringning You've made a twat of yourself now mate, now go and read about what harris hawks can take in falconry terms. The harris is the most popular bird in falconry for a reason. You judge a birds capability by the size of it's feet , harris hawks feet are twice the size of a buzzards. Very few buzzards in falconry will even take adult rabbits, where as a lot of small male harris's will take hares, most females will take hares with ease, my female has taken an adult ferrel cat and even caught a fox but luckily got shook off. So think again mr know it all, you need to do a bit more reading. I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about , where as I have 20yrs experience. I won't bother you any further. One thing I have learned on this site is that most think they know it all when in actual fact they don't! Had you read my post you will note that I "Googled" your bird, the kite and the buzzard. So I was quoting (Cut and paste is a great tool) from a couple of websites. NOT my words. I am the first to admit to knowing very little about falconry but unlike yourself it would seem, I am prepared to learn. You have argued that a kite can't take a hare and lift it. I have seen it and luckily got a picture of it. You still seem to be in denial when confronted by the evidence. I doubt that I can learn much from you given your beligerent nature and refusal to be open to others views and experience.(as in witnessing events) However just one point that does seem to be open to query. Harris= approx the same size as a buzzard? Wrong. A buzzard is considerably larger according to various accreditable websites. Given the choice between believing you or aforementioned websites I reckon your track record would point me towards the latter, despite your "20years experience" A shame given that many on here try and draw knowledge from experienced hunters. One more thing. I never called you a liar. I said you were wrong. So as for making a "twat" of myself I think in hindsight you may want to revise your statement..................Somehow, given your intransigent attitude I suspect that it will not be the case.............Pity. Rgds Swampy The facts, according to the BTO Buzzard Weight: M: 780g F: 1000g Peregrine Weight: M: 670g F: 1.1kg Goshawk Weight: M: 850g F: 1.5kg Gyr Falcon Weight: M: 1.1kg F: 1.8kg Golden Eagle Weight: M: 3.7kg F: 5.3kg My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse. Thank you for proving my point! Oh, I don't believe you about your Harris' weight........Prove it! But I guess we ALL have to believe YOU! What a complete and utter TWUNT! Disdainful NING You don't have to believe me, I read the fecking scales, who gives a f.ck about you. Like wise! Surprised you can read ning I take it that, that's a sign of intelligence then, resorting to personal insults when you know you've lost the argument. I think you'll find that I tried very hard, whilst up against some quite beligerent argument, to remain civil. You on the other hand............................ "My female harris 1077g flying weight. Argue with that. smart arse." "You've made a twat of yourself now mate," "I've come to the conclusion you're argueing about something you know f all about" I even corrected you when you accused me of making you out to be a liar. So without having to do too much analysis on the subject. It is quite evident that you are incapable of taking a good hard look at yourself and realsie the errors of your ways. ...........................Unless of course your last statement was an admission/confession? Pointless ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 heres another 1 romany what dya reckon mate Craig. We both know that that pic has either been "photoshopped" or its actually the cuddly toy bunny that Romany has for his regressive therapy sessions(He's going to be very upset when he finds out!) or its the rabbit that has caught the bird and is jumping back to his warren to eat it! Swampy disbelieving ning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RicW 67 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Ha! I have a short story by Larry Niven in which a Roc carries off an elephant Ric Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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