Start at what age?

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I was out with experienced people mate I was told russells may be late starters this is why i ask.

 

YIS

 

AW

 

Any terrier of any breed can be a late starter, it's just whether your willing to be patient enough to allow the dog to come on if you see that the dog is showing the potential to improve. If the dog has been tried 8 times already and all it has done is stayed for a few minutes then by the sounds of it that isn't a sign that its showing any sort of improvement.

 

I wouldn't say it's anything to do with the fact that its a Russell, there is some decent Russell's about and by all means give the dog a chance if you have the patience for it, but it just sounds to me like your dog isn't up to it. 2 years old and more or less just running in and out of a hole isn't a good sign, no matter what breed it is.

 

Best of luck though.

[Beastmaster1980 40]

Thanks mate,

Oportunity given.

Goes to ground meets the fox barks a bit and comes out. Sometimes ready to go back sometimes not. Stays max for 1-4 min.

How can i know if it's matured?

 

So its doing what its supposed to? Correct me if im wrong but JR's were bred to bay & bolt the fox for hounds & not to hold or kill a fox like Lakelands or Pats although im sure some of the bully JR's do kill foxes. Cheers, Rich

[waidmann 105]

if he is baying and bolting thats ok(if you don't want to dig to him) but when he comes out he should be looking to get back in and find a different "approach" on to the fox( this is called "flying" where i learned the job).if he bays and then comes out and has no interest in re entering then i would suggest he is either baying blind(nervous of the dark,scent of fox he can't find) or simply jacking.

has he had a fox close up(at the end of a dig),been marked/stank of fox when he comes back? are you checking the earth with an experianced dog after he "refuses"?

these are all questions to be answeared.

people who say to shoot/pts etc seem to be "jumping the gun" imho.

at 2 years old he should be mature enough to do the job,but each dog is an individual and this must be taken into consideration.

just out of interest how old was he the first time he went to ground and found a fox? did he show more enthusiasm and get bitten for his trouble?

 

waidmann

[awterrier 0]

He was about 1 at his first work and got bitten but it didnt make him change his mind. He was working with another dog only 2 times. (They didnt attack eachother, worked together.)

He doesnt go in to an empty den and only barks when meeting a charlie and after he came off it another dog works it.

When coming off the fox after 1-2 minutes he looks like "whats now?" and either ready to go back or not but with the same doubt on his face.

Otherwise is a dog with selfconfidence.

 

YIS,

 

AW.

[the_stig 6,614]

tick tock ..

[hedz31 1,308]

well at 2 years of age and with 8 failed attempts under the dogs belt,its really upto you what you do with the dog is earthwork your only intrest ?? if you are into ratting or know some one that is maybe try the dog that route it certainly does not sound like its cut out for earth work, i personely would not keep the dog but my only intrest is in earthwork but if you have put time into the dog and have had him from a pup its totaly upto you if you want to try it another season there is other options to culling a dog of that age like you ratting and bushing with the terrier or giving it to some one who is into hardcore ratting and does nothing else the only thing i would strongly reccomend is if the dog does fail and you decide to get rid instead of culling is the animal is not bred from and sold or given away honestly as a failed earthdog and maybe even done so it cant be used for breeding

regards hedz

[awterrier 0]

Not interested in ratting or bushing but consider to give it to sumone else to try.

 

 

Thanks guys i think i understood the options.

 

 

YIS

 

AW.

Edited March 22, 2010 by awterrier

[charliehunter100 22]

Thanks mate,

Oportunity given.

Goes to ground meets the fox barks a bit and comes out. Sometimes ready to go back sometimes not. Stays max for 1-4 min.

How can i know if it's matured?

 

AW

pm wirrial countryman he knows everything about dogs

[waidmann 105]

Thanks mate,

Oportunity given.

Goes to ground meets the fox barks a bit and comes out. Sometimes ready to go back sometimes not. Stays max for 1-4 min.

How can i know if it's matured?

 

AW

pm wirrial countryman he knows everything about dogs

 

 

do you two have a failed romance or what?

why do you insist on posting.......... well nothing of relevance to the thread?

[waidmann 105]

sorry to say but if the dog has worked on fox with other dogs (doubled up i presume?) and had success at the end of the dig(due to another dog) and still won't stick/push him out then you need to eother build him up big time or give him to someone who doesn't need a dog for earth work(with the understanding he will not be bred from).the other option is to cull.

if he works on other quarry then i would consider giving him away before culling(he may given time be re-entered to fox).

atb

waidmann

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

I'm not sure whether you mean that you doubled the dogs up or not, but if you did double the terriers up then its no wonder this Russell isn't interested. A young dog being pushed into its quarry by the dog behind it can put them off the job altogether.

 

Best of luck for the future, just be careful how you bring them on mate.

[charliehunter100 22]

dont shoot it for fucks sake its not big or hard to do that. someone will have it as a ratting or rabbit dog

[NBW Terrier 16]

I'm not sure whether you mean that you doubled the dogs up or not, but if you did double the terriers up then its no wonder this Russell isn't interested. A young dog being pushed into its quarry by the dog behind it can put them off the job altogether.

 

Best of luck for the future, just be careful how you bring them on mate.

I myself never entered any dog altogether with another one, but many lazy mates regularly do that. They don,t want to dig at all and use soft dogs for bolting.

I realised many times the dogs who were entered this way don,t become hard workers but I don,t understand what is the reason? Why?

Never tried it but I think if the X-factor is inside the dog, it will come out when needed.