khan or mallignaggi

[chameleon 26]

I think paquiao will kill Mayweather

[Desmond 480]

Just found this thread and totally agree with attack fell terrier,nigel benn was a different gravy altogether than khan,a total injustice to benn which has already been said...benns defeats came to quality fighters or when he was past it,benn had ko power which khan hasnt,knans biggest tool is his speed but hasnt the variety to trouble world class fighters like timothy bradley etc,he still looks very vunerable to me,lets see how he fares against a timothy bradley etc,khan isnt half the fighter benn was and never will be.

[gnasher16 30,118]

Just found this thread and totally agree with attack fell terrier,nigel benn was a different gravy altogether than khan,a total injustice to benn which has already been said...benns defeats came to quality fighters or when he was past it,benn had ko power which khan hasnt,knans biggest tool is his speed but hasnt the variety to trouble world class fighters like timothy bradley etc,he still looks very vunerable to me,lets see how he fares against a timothy bradley etc,khan isnt half the fighter benn was and never will be.

 

 

It wasnt a debate as to who the better fighter was....i was simply saying that at the stage of his career Khan is at now,Nigel Benn was exatly the same at that stage of his.....an unexpected defeat,a suspect chin a reputation as a banger,and a trip over the pond to make him a better allround fighter,their careers are mirror images of each other......im not for one minute trying to suggest Khan is or ever will be as good a fighter as Benn was....im a big Benn fan,he was from my manor at a time when i was around a few gyms myself and he was a likeable lad so im not putting him down at all.....he was lucky in that he had " a rivalry "....which is always helpful to any boxers career,his being Eubank....but he had a lot of flaws to his game the main one being his punch resistance,remember how Mike Watson finished him with a jab at Finsbury Park......but he developed a good enough defence for that to not be exposed too much,just like Khan can do....whether he does is another story,personally ive always said Khan was good enough to win a world title but will not be good enough to reach the top of the sport at his weight.....time will tell.

[Desmond 480]

Just found this thread and totally agree with attack fell terrier,nigel benn was a different gravy altogether than khan,a total injustice to benn which has already been said...benns defeats came to quality fighters or when he was past it,benn had ko power which khan hasnt,knans biggest tool is his speed but hasnt the variety to trouble world class fighters like timothy bradley etc,he still looks very vunerable to me,lets see how he fares against a timothy bradley etc,khan isnt half the fighter benn was and never will be.

 

 

It wasnt a debate as to who the better fighter was....i was simply saying that at the stage of his career Khan is at now,Nigel Benn was exatly the same at that stage of his.....an unexpected defeat,a suspect chin a reputation as a banger,and a trip over the pond to make him a better allround fighter,their careers are mirror images of each other......im not for one minute trying to suggest Khan is or ever will be as good a fighter as Benn was....im a big Benn fan,he was from my manor at a time when i was around a few gyms myself and he was a likeable lad so im not putting him down at all.....he was lucky in that he had " a rivalry "....which is always helpful to any boxers career,his being Eubank....but he had a lot of flaws to his game the main one being his punch resistance,remember how Mike Watson finished him with a jab at Finsbury Park......but he developed a good enough defence for that to not be exposed too much,just like Khan can do....whether he does is another story,personally ive always said Khan was good enough to win a world title but will not be good enough to reach the top of the sport at his weight.....time will tell.

[Desmond 480]

Fair enough mate,watson was really good,didnt have no flash but well schooled and strong and again very likeable,its a shame what happened to him.Fair enough khan has won a world title but in my eyes to gain the recognition you need to box a world class fighter which he has not,personally i dont think he will cut it at top level just like you said.

[Attack Fell Terrier 864]

It wasnt a debate as to who the better fighter was....i was simply saying that at the stage of his career Khan is at now,Nigel Benn was exatly the same at that stage of his.....an unexpected defeat,a suspect chin a reputation as a banger,and a trip over the pond to make him a better allround fighter,their careers are mirror images of each other......im not for one minute trying to suggest Khan is or ever will be as good a fighter as Benn was....im a big Benn fan,he was from my manor at a time when i was around a few gyms myself and he was a likeable lad so im not putting him down at all.....he was lucky in that he had " a rivalry "....which is always helpful to any boxers career,his being Eubank....but he had a lot of flaws to his game the main one being his punch resistance,remember how Mike Watson finished him with a jab at Finsbury Park......but he developed a good enough defence for that to not be exposed too much,just like Khan can do....whether he does is another story,personally ive always said Khan was good enough to win a world title but will not be good enough to reach the top of the sport at his weight.....time will tell.

 

I don't know Gnasher, Khan has had 24 pro bouts within 5 years, Benn had the same amount of bouts in 2 years. In 5 years Benn had fought Eubank, Barkley, Watson, DeWitt and Malinga amongst others. Khan hasn't fought that calibre of fighter in the same time period IMO.

 

But I can understand your comparisons, I just think Benn was so much more a fighter, and Khan I think is more interested in picking who he fights carefully. Of course there's time for him to prove me wrong, but I'm not convinced.

 

Who do you think he'll go for next?

[gnasher16 30,118]

 

I don't know Gnasher, Khan has had 24 pro bouts within 5 years, Benn had the same amount of bouts in 2 years. In 5 years Benn had fought Eubank, Barkley, Watson, DeWitt and Malinga amongst others. Khan hasn't fought that calibre of fighter in the same time period IMO.

 

 

 

Nobody in todays times would get away with what Benn did in the first few years of his career,he fought absolute no hopers,Benns manager at that time was Burt Mcarthy who was a buiseness man not a boxing manager,he financed Benns early career and wanted money back on his investment,Benn didnt fight a live opponent until Watson,if i remember right he fought Darren Hobson who was vaguely decent.

 

The stage of career Khan is at now is the stage Benn was at when he beat Barkley,he had come back from a defeat,won a world title and defended it.....in my opinion a Khan fight with a Timothy Bradley is a tougher prospect than Benns next few fights with Kid Milo,Robbie Simms and a few others i forget who now....but of course Benn went on to fight big fights mainly through his rivalry with Eubank which Khan wont have.....but anyway its up to the kid himself now he,s done the easy part now lets see if he can do the hard part.....i believe the thing that time will show is that Khan is not a fighter in his heart.....and Benn was....and its this that will bring a fighter through when the chips are down.

[Guest eastmids]

,after the first four rounds i thought khan looked ok but a dont think he,s going to be around long.

Edited May 29, 2010 by eastmids

[gnasher16 30,118]

 

if you ask any boxing fan about khan they'd say 2 things world class speed and the worst chin in any top tier fighter around today

thats why he does now and always will need protecting his chin will not improve and eventually he will have to move up in weight (unless he retires early) could you imagine the massacre it would be khan fighting pavlik,williams or martinez?

 

 

 

I remember everyone saying almost exactly the same as that word for word in the early part of Benns career,in fact the only fighter around at that time who had possibly a worse chin than Benn at world level was Tommy Hearns,who didnt do too bad for a glass chinned fighter either.

[gnasher16 30,118]

You mean why is he relevant...in a topic with his name heading it

 

Benns chin was no better or no worse than Khans is....the fact you refer to Khan being knocked out by " a cab driver " and Benn standing up to Mclellens shots are the words of an archair boxing fan with all due respect.....it doesnt take the greatest fighter in the world to knock you out when your caught cold,Khan was caught cold because he had no defence not because he had a glass jaw....

Benn has admitted many times he couldnt take a punch....and i dont think there can be any doubt as to Hearns,i remember the referee telling Dennis Andries off for hitting Hearns when he had him in trouble !!...and when James Kinchen had him hanging on for dear life after a strong jab.

[YOKEL 2,234]

the colombian fella presscot could definately bang and khan was caught cold, i don't think many fighters would of come back from that knockdown so early in the round, but that was not the punch that showed khans weak punch resistance to the world, that punch came from the self confessed non puncher, coming up a weight devision to face khan, one willie limond, if he had been a finishing fighter, khan would have been f****d in that fight also. i think the difference (i.m.o) between khans jaw and benns was benn didn't fear his, he got on with it, and when in bother became extremely dangerous, barkley/ mclennan as a couple of examples. when khan gets put under pressure he starts looking round the ring for help and kind of goes to pot for abit. don't get me wrong, i think he's a great talent, but i really don't think his time at the top will be a long one J.M.O...bring on maidana...

Yokel

[YOKEL 2,234]

the colombian fella presscot could definately bang and khan was caught cold, i don't think many fighters would of come back from that knockdown so early in the round, but that was not the punch that showed khans weak punch resistance to the world, that punch came from the self confessed non puncher, coming up a weight devision to face khan, one willie limond, if he had been a finishing fighter, khan would have been f****d in that fight also. i think the difference (i.m.o) between khans jaw and benns was benn didn't fear his, he got on with it, and when in bother became extremely dangerous, barkley/ mclennan as a couple of examples. when khan gets put under pressure he starts looking round the ring for help and kind of goes to pot for abit. don't get me wrong, i think he's a great talent, but i really don't think his time at the top will be a long one J.M.O...bring on maidana...

Yokel

[gnasher16 30,118]

Your comparing the uncomparable.........

 

So because Benn stood toe to toe with Mclellen that means he can take a shot......yet he got blown over by a jab from Michael Watson which finished the fight........the mistake you are making is putting too much emphasis on a fighters chin and not enough emphasis on a fighters defence....

When Benn lost to Mike Watson he had no defence whatsoever because after blowing everyone away he had never needed a defence,what did he do,he went away and worked on his defence,he still didnt have the greatest chin in the world but it was never exposed in the same way because he was defensively a better fighter,but his chin was still the same.

No different to when Khan was knocked out by the Columbian....he had never needed a defence until then....he went away and worked on his defence,he will never have the greatest chin in the world but like Benn can become technically better defensively meaning that weakness will not be exposed as much.

 

Again,Tommy Hearns had possibly the worst chin of any world champion of his era,he also had poor powers of recovery.........it didnt stop him using his strengths to cover his weaknesses which worked most of the time....it is to be admired not ridiculed the way people do with Khan.

[gnasher16 30,118]

Mate you cant seem to get away from this " comparing fighters " thing......we are not comparing who is better or whos this or that.....i started off by pointing out that Khans CAREER is taking an identical path to Benns.....as fighters they have similarities....not in quality but in styles/strengths/weaknesses....

 

The fact ive mentioned Tommy Hearns in the same sentance doesnt mean im comparing them for ability.....does your whole entire knowledge of the sport come down to who is best !!....

 

As regards the Benn/Watson fight i was around 30 feet away from Benn when he went down,Benn was well ahead at the start of the 6th round even though Watson was coming back into it,in the 5th Benn took a number of punches but Watson was not loading up with any meaning Benn didnt take a hard shot all night......

 

I really dont think you are understanding the ease with which a fighter can be knocked spark out when caught cold....it is a defense issue not a chin issue.

Michael Watson one of britains best ever technical boxers ....now i really do think you have lost track !.....he was a very good fighter and a solid pro.....a great he wasnt and has never claimed to be....read his book its a great read.

[gnasher16 30,118]

no he didnt take hard shots he took a lot of them thats what i meant by accumulative...

admittedly i exaggerated watsons ability but he was never the less a very good technical fighter who had benns game worked out completely

 

i dont see these similarities.

do you not see the similarities between Harrison and khan?even career wise step1. beat up some bums step2. get exposed step3.beat some more bums/has beens who defo cant expose you, thats where khan is now,he has to prove me wrong he wont get the benefit of the doubt from me or most other unbiased boxing fans(sadly English are amongst the worst)

 

as it stands until he takes a risk and beats a live opponent (which he appears to be trying to do)

khan was exposed by Prescott (whereas benn was outclassed vs watson)

 

edited to say i didnt follow benns career as it happened so maybe if i did that would allow me to see the similarities

 

 

So apart from the fact they were both olympians what are the similarities between Khan and Harrison ? They have no similarity in fighting style and their pro careers have taken totally different routes....????....the step 1/2 you mention is simply professional boxing !!....a young prsopect is fed easy opponents until they either A, lose a fight....or B, reach a title.......normally A happens before B !....step 3 will happen regardless as no fighter fights tough fights every fight of their career !

 

You say Khan was exposed by Prescott but Benn was outclassed by Watson......you are just playing with words to suit your argument.....Benn WAS exposed by Watson he was exposed as having no defense and realising he couldnt just walk in and bang people out he went away and worked on the defensive side to his game.....exactly the same as Khan has done.....thats what happens with knockout artists sometimes they are exposed as defenceless 1 track fighters why then have to adjust their style.

 

Ok so you didnt follow Benns career,well i remember watching him at places like Blazers in Windsor,York Hall Bethnall Green,Festival Hall Basildon etc etc.....and let me tell you his first 2 years of pro fights he barely broke sweat and were bordering on a disgrace,but then he ran into Watson at Finsbury Park.....incidentally im no fan of the kid Khans and Benn i like and respect as he is a man of morals........but im also a realist.