In defence of ‘devil dogs’

[Swampy 147]

A very interesting article and one that emphasises the chattering classes view of the "underclasses" but we should know that already. For anyone who's interested in this sort of thing and the puritanical zeal with which the baiting and fighting sports were banned with, have a read of "All Heaven in a Rage" by ES Turner. The way in which the working classes are being viewed in relation to their hunting (baiting and fighting in the past) pursuits now, is no different to the way they have been viewed for centuries now. Remove the class ownership from a pursuit and you remove its legitimacy as a valid "past-time." Bear and bull baiting were once the preserve of the not only the working man, but of the court and high-society too. Remove the upper echelons of society from partaking, which in the case of the baiting sports, was by a gradual process of decline in popularity, and you are left with the common man as participant, who is much more open to accusations of savagery, brutality and base instinct. The drive to ban those sports was done with a class bias...can't have the working classes getting all rowdy, pissed and fighting at the drop of a hat....keep the buggers in their place. Seems like nothing has changed much. Let's face it, the internet has made hunting of all types much more accessible to the common man. Whereas in the past you'd have to actually put some effort into finding out about hunting (presuming you had a flicker of an interest), now you just log in here and see what's what. A quick flick through Kay's Catalogue to order your Reebok Classics, a glance through the CMW to order yourself a hybrid bulldog and bingo...you're all set. There's no need for an apprenticeship anymore. I think that, and the fact that certain dogs and sports are illegal, which let's face it, lends it all a misguided sense of legitimacy, has increased the numbers of lads and lasses out there, who aren't all there for the right reasons. When this knowledge had to be sought, and worked for, and strived for and effort had to be expended, there were fewer. Now, it's as easy as typing an address and having some spare time. Dogs can be bought and sold on whims as weak as trainspotters squash.

 

Two bulls that were kittens in the home and devils in the field

 

All true.

Now, how the fek do we get that accross to the people in power?

I regretfully conceed that it will never happen. The haves and have nots will always be.

Wish I had read the thread earlier.

Spread the word dudes!

rgds Swampy

What dog would a communist own ning

[theferreter 311]

Rotties are brilliant dogs, very laid back and you'd be a lot safer with one in the yard, they mightn't bite as hard as a bull but they're way more intimidating imo.

[/quote there def more intimidating :thumbs:dont no about brilliant

[Swampy 147]

depends what you mean by dangerous,but i read a while ago that even an apbt has never killed an able bodied adult man,so i cant imagine a staff has.

 

i agree that chavs are bad for the breed,but worse still are the middle class housewives who have no clue about owning powerful dogs and genuinely believe if you dont abuse the dog it will turn out to be a big teddy bear who loves people and other animals alike who theyd never put down even if they were unstable monsters because theyre part of the family.they should just stick to Labradors imo

 

 

"if you dont abuse the dog it will turn out to be a big teddy bear who loves people and other animals alike"

 

 

WTF?

Are you suggesting that you should abuse the dog?

 

I sincerely hope not

 

Swampy

 

odd ning

[theferreter 311]

On a slightly different note could a staffie be that dangerous to a fully grown man? The ones I know don't seem big enough, or are they being bundled in with the bigger and more powerful dogs?

if a staffie locks on to a full growing man hes gona have trouble getting it of but this will not happen if the dogs brought up right :thumbs:there not bundled in with the big powerfull dogs they are powerfull dogs dont let the size fool you

[Malt 379]

depends what you mean by dangerous,but i read a while ago that even an apbt has never killed an able bodied adult man,so i cant imagine a staff has.

 

i agree that chavs are bad for the breed,but worse still are the middle class housewives who have no clue about owning powerful dogs and genuinely believe if you dont abuse the dog it will turn out to be a big teddy bear who loves people and other animals alike who theyd never put down even if they were unstable monsters because theyre part of the family.they should just stick to Labradors imo

 

 

"if you dont abuse the dog it will turn out to be a big teddy bear who loves people and other animals alike"

 

 

WTF?

Are you suggesting that you should abuse the dog?

 

I sincerely hope not

 

Swampy

 

odd ning

 

Swamps, I'd interpret that as meaning they think,

 

'As long as you treat it like a spoilt baby, don't put it in it's place with a firm hand & use 100% positive reinforcement as training instead, it'll be fine"

 

I know people (pet owners) who think that even raising your voice sternly to a dog counts as abuse...

[Swampy 147]

Re read his post......I'm sure that what your saying is true. But from what he has written it quite clearly suggests that to control a dog it needs to be abused.

I'm getting less forgiving of peoples English as I get older.

 

rgds

 

Swampy

 

this pedant will be homeward bound in 4mins and 30 secs..........NING

[RicW 67]

A very interesting article and one that emphasises the chattering classes view of the "underclasses" but we should know that already. For anyone who's interested in this sort of thing and the puritanical zeal with which the baiting and fighting sports were banned with, have a read of "All Heaven in a Rage" by ES Turner. The way in which the working classes are being viewed in relation to their hunting (baiting and fighting in the past) pursuits now, is no different to the way they have been viewed for centuries now. Remove the class ownership from a pursuit and you remove its legitimacy as a valid "past-time." Bear and bull baiting were once the preserve of the not only the working man, but of the court and high-society too. Remove the upper echelons of society from partaking, which in the case of the baiting sports, was by a gradual process of decline in popularity, and you are left with the common man as participant, who is much more open to accusations of savagery, brutality and base instinct. The drive to ban those sports was done with a class bias...can't have the working classes getting all rowdy, pissed and fighting at the drop of a hat....keep the buggers in their place. Seems like nothing has changed much. Let's face it, the internet has made hunting of all types much more accessible to the common man. Whereas in the past you'd have to actually put some effort into finding out about hunting (presuming you had a flicker of an interest), now you just log in here and see what's what. A quick flick through Kay's Catalogue to order your Reebok Classics, a glance through the CMW to order yourself a hybrid bulldog and bingo...you're all set. There's no need for an apprenticeship anymore. I think that, and the fact that certain dogs and sports are illegal, which let's face it, lends it all a misguided sense of legitimacy, has increased the numbers of lads and lasses out there, who aren't all there for the right reasons. When this knowledge had to be sought, and worked for, and strived for and effort had to be expended, there were fewer. Now, it's as easy as typing an address and having some spare time. Dogs can be bought and sold on whims as weak as trainspotters squash.

 

Two bulls that were kittens in the home and devils in the field

 

All true.

Now, how the fek do we get that accross to the people in power?

I regretfully conceed that it will never happen. The haves and have nots will always be.

Wish I had read the thread earlier.

Spread the word dudes!

rgds Swampy

What dog would a communist own ning

 

RED SETTER

[Nik_B 3,790]

I'd imagine a mongral with a red kneckerchief around it's neck

[Swampy 147]

A very interesting article and one that emphasises the chattering classes view of the "underclasses" but we should know that already. For anyone who's interested in this sort of thing and the puritanical zeal with which the baiting and fighting sports were banned with, have a read of "All Heaven in a Rage" by ES Turner. The way in which the working classes are being viewed in relation to their hunting (baiting and fighting in the past) pursuits now, is no different to the way they have been viewed for centuries now. Remove the class ownership from a pursuit and you remove its legitimacy as a valid "past-time." Bear and bull baiting were once the preserve of the not only the working man, but of the court and high-society too. Remove the upper echelons of society from partaking, which in the case of the baiting sports, was by a gradual process of decline in popularity, and you are left with the common man as participant, who is much more open to accusations of savagery, brutality and base instinct. The drive to ban those sports was done with a class bias...can't have the working classes getting all rowdy, pissed and fighting at the drop of a hat....keep the buggers in their place. Seems like nothing has changed much. Let's face it, the internet has made hunting of all types much more accessible to the common man. Whereas in the past you'd have to actually put some effort into finding out about hunting (presuming you had a flicker of an interest), now you just log in here and see what's what. A quick flick through Kay's Catalogue to order your Reebok Classics, a glance through the CMW to order yourself a hybrid bulldog and bingo...you're all set. There's no need for an apprenticeship anymore. I think that, and the fact that certain dogs and sports are illegal, which let's face it, lends it all a misguided sense of legitimacy, has increased the numbers of lads and lasses out there, who aren't all there for the right reasons. When this knowledge had to be sought, and worked for, and strived for and effort had to be expended, there were fewer. Now, it's as easy as typing an address and having some spare time. Dogs can be bought and sold on whims as weak as trainspotters squash.

 

Two bulls that were kittens in the home and devils in the field

 

All true.

Now, how the fek do we get that accross to the people in power?

I regretfully conceed that it will never happen. The haves and have nots will always be.

Wish I had read the thread earlier.

Spread the word dudes!

rgds Swampy

What dog would a communist own ning

 

RED SETTER

 

Crossed with............or just very cross

 

 

On a serious note.what is the dog of the proletariot these days?

 

 

rgds

 

Swampy

 

hammer without sickle ning