tail docking pups

[bradbury2522 0]

would anyone know any vets in the west midlands that do tail and jew cutting on springer spaniel pups i would like them done by a vet as ive heard so many things like vets asking for paper work to show it been done by vet.

Edited March 17, 2010 by bradbury2522

[butcherboy 68]

won't the vet your bitch is registered under do them?

[bradbury2522 0]

won't the vet your bitch is registered under do them?

thay say thay dont do them

[masmiffy 82]

This subject keeps raising its head.

Its illegal to dock yourself, hefty fines!

Some vets will do it but will want to microchip at same time which is a good idea.

I think there should be a national register of vets willing to dock, for the right reasons

Perhaps we could start one on here mods eh?

[butcherboy 68]

This subject keeps raising its head.

Its illegal to dock yourself, hefty fines!

Some vets will do it but will want to microchip at same time which is a good idea.

I think there should be a national register of vets willing to dock, for the right reasons

Perhaps we could start one on here mods eh?

 

 

Do not let a Vet chip your pups at the same age they get docked (2-3days) The chipping can take place at 12 weeks for the new owner.

 

If your bitch is a working bitch then I suggest you leave your vet if they won't do it. Sadly I don't know your area to suggest another but get out the Yellow pages and ring round.

[poacher3161 1,766]

Theirs spires vetinary practise at chesterfeild though it may be a bit far.

[bradbury2522 0]

ive spent allday looking on the internet looking and i couldnt even find one vet that does tail docking dew claws its a bloody joke for such a simple thing

[Mickey Finn 3,014]

ive spent allday looking on the internet looking and i couldnt even find one vet that does tail docking dew claws its a bloody joke for such a simple thing

 

That is sad. But I'd say, traveling beats a fine. Good luck which ever you choose.

[masmiffy 82]

I just spoke to my vet today about docking his response was along these lines.

 

Vets should not be opposed to docking working breed dogs there is no law to say it shouldnt be done, we would however like proof that the dogs are to be worked or are working strain! (I will ask tonight what constitutes 'proof'! vet said that a shogun certificate would constitue proof of a working environment)

We will dock puppies and remove dew claws either at home or preferably at the surgery.

Docked puppies will have to be microchipped (again will ask when this should be done! DEFRA say at the same time as docking ie before 5 days old vet thinks this is too young but they have to follow the guidelines!)

 

Have a look at this http://www.cdb.org/awa/index.htm

Copy paste to your browser

It contains the following!

 

UK Tail Docking legislation as at May 2007

All UK legislation has now been passed and enacted as follows;

 

The docking of dogs' tails was banned in England from 6 April 2007 and in Wales from 28 March 2007 but with exemptions from the ban for certain working dogs, and for medical treatment. A total ban in Scotland took effect 30 April 2007

 

There is also a ban on the showing of docked dogs (all dogs docked after the commencement date of 6 April/28 March) at events to which members of the public are admitted on payment of a fee. However, this ban does not apply to dogs shown for the purpose of demonstrating their working ability.

 

The exemption for working dogs allows a dog that is likely to perform certain specified types of work to have its tail docked by a veterinary surgeon. The dog will have to be less than 5 days old and the veterinary surgeon will have to certify that he or she has seen specified evidence that the dog is likely to work in specified areas. Puppies being docked must be microchipped, either at the time of docking or when the vet considers they are old enough. The types of dog that are allowed to be docked and the types of evidence needed, is detailed below.

 

Puppies from certain working dogs may be docked if evidence is provided to the vet that it is likely to be worked in connection with law enforcement, activities of Her Majestys Armed Forces, emergency rescue, lawful pest control, or the lawful shooting of animals. It is accepted that in a litter, not all puppies docked will be found suitable for work.

 

The owner of the dog, or person representing the owner must make a signed statement that, the dam of the puppies to be docked is of a type which can be certified as set out below, the date on which the puppies were born and that it is intended that they will be used, or sold, for one of the working purposes set out in the regulations.

 

The vet must sign a declaration that the requirements of the regulations have been satisfied i.e. that he has been given the necessary declaration by the owner or person representing the owner and has seen the evidence required.

 

The vet must have a completed statement, signed and dated by the owner of the dog (or by another person whom the veterinary surgeon to whom it is presented reasonably believes to be representing the owner), made in the form set out in the regulations. The vet must see the dam of the dog and a further piece of evidence such as:

 

a current shotgun or firearm certificate issued to the owner of the dog, or to the agent or employee of the owner most likely to be using the dog for work in connection with the lawful shooting of animals OR

 

a letter from a gamekeeper, a land occupier (or his agent), a person with shooting rights, a shoot organiser, a club official, a person representing the National Working Terrier Federation, or a person engaged in lawful pest control, stating that the breeder of the dog whose tail is to be docked is known to him and that dogs bred by that breeder have been used (as the case may be) on his land, or in his shoot, or for pest control.

 

Although the procedure is the same, the list of dogs which can be docked are different between England and Wales. There is a total ban on docking in Scotland.

 

In England the following can be docked:

 

1. Hunt point retrieve breeds of any type or combination of types.

 

2. Spaniels of any type or combination of types.

 

3. Terriers of any type or combination of types.

 

In Wales the following can be docked:

 

1. Spaniels of the following breeds: English Springer Spaniel, Welsh Springer Spaniel and Cocker Spaniel, but not combinations of breeds

 

2. Terriers of the following breeds: Jack Russell Terrier, Cairn Terrier, Lakeland Terrier, Norfolk Terrier, but not combinations of breeds

 

3. Hunt point retrievers of the following breeds:

 

Braque Italian, Brittany, German Long Haired Pointer, German Short Haired Pointer, German Wire Haired Pointer, Hungarian Vizsla, Hungarian Wire Haired Vizsla, Italian Spinone, Spanish Water Dog, Weimaraner, Korthals Griffon, Slovakian Rough Haired Pointer, Large Munsterlander, Small Munsterlander.

 

It remains the prerogative of a veterinary surgeon as to whether he chooses to dock a dogs tail or not.

 

Showing of Docked Dogs

 

A dog docked before the 28 March 2007 in Wales and 6 April 2007 in England may continue to be shown at all shows in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland throughout its natural life.

 

A dog docked on, or after, the above dates, irrespective of where it was docked, may not be shown at shows in England and Wales where the public is charged a fee for admission.

 

However, where a working dog has been docked in England and Wales under the respective regulations set out above, it may be shown where the public are charged a fee, so long as it is shown only to demonstrate its working ability. It will thus be necessary to show working dogs in such a way as ONLY to demonstrate their working ability and not conformity to a standard.

 

A dog legally docked in England, Wales, Northern Ireland or abroad may be shown at any show in Scotland or Northern Ireland.

 

Is the BANDING of tails still legal in the UK?

 

A lot of breeders are under the misconception that the UK law is akin to the new docking laws in Australia. In Australia it is illegal to surgically remove the tail of as puppy so "banding" is a gray area which breeders have so far successfully defended in court. The UK Acts make it an offence "to remove the whole or any part of a dogs tail", (except for those exempt under the regulations) and our legal advisors state that both cutting and banding are covered by the ban in the main Act.

 

A person found guilty of an offence under the Animal Welfare Act 2006 (England) shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or a fine not exceeding £20,000 or both

 

Is Dew Claw removal still legal?

 

The removal of dew claws is still permitted. In England it is allowed under The Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) (England) Regulations 2007 and in Wales under The Mutilations (Permitted Procedures) (Wales) Regulations 2007.

 

Both Regulations operate alongside the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1966. As such the removal of dew claws by laypeople (over 18 years of age) or vets, before the dogs eyes are open, is allowed. The regulations state that the procedure must be carried out in the following manner:

 

(a) in accordance with any relevant requirement in Schedules 2 to 9,

( in such a way as to minimise the pain and suffering it causes to the animal,

© in hygienic conditions, and

(d) in accordance with good practice.

 

Full Regulations, certification and other links:

 

The certificate needed to be completed by a working dog owner

and docking vet for EACH puppy, in pdf format

 

A suggested information sheet to be given to each new puppy owner.

This document has NOT been drawn up or checked by a solicitor (as yet) so the CDB

cannot accept responsibility for any complications arising from its use

 

The Docking of Working Dogs Tails (England) Regulations 2007, in pdf format

 

The explanatory memorandum to the regulations, in pdf format

 

The Animal Welfare Act in full

 

The Kennel Club has a tail docking question and answer information page here

 

DEFRA has a tail docking information page here

Edited March 18, 2010 by masmiffy

[rat attack 0]

This subject keeps raising its head.

Its illegal to dock yourself, hefty fines!

Some vets will do it but will want to microchip at same time which is a good idea.

I think there should be a national register of vets willing to dock, for the right reasons

Perhaps we could start one on here mods eh?

I know of a very good vet in South Devon who will dock tails.Website is www.mercuryvets.co.uk

[bucknut 1]

i live in north east and what peeved me on my last litter was that my local vet wanted £30 per pup and stated they had to be chipped there and then! what a rip off!

 

found a freelance vet who worked rom home who charged £12 each pup and no chip needed but offered to do it any time after ten weeks.

 

Conclusion; My advice would be to find a relance with no overheads!

 

anyone in north east wanting that vets details PM me.

[mustwork 0]

would anyone know any vets in the west midlands that do tail and jew cutting on springer spaniel pups i would like them done by a vet as ive heard so many things like vets asking for paper work to show it been done by vet.

We have a vet who comes to our house to dock £10 a pup. He is very good and from the Shrewsbury area. He will travel but i don't know how far and you would need to pay his travelling costs!

Have a look at this link Docking BASC

We microchip at about 10-12 weeks of age any less is really too young as the chip can move! Your pups new owners can get them microchipped when they have their 12 week vet check. They do have to be microchipped by this date though! You need to show that the litter is from a working background and that the pups are intended to working.

Please don't do it yourself or get anyone other than a vet to do it!

Hope this helps

Lisa