First kill

[Queequeg 0]

Hi guys,

 

I've just been reading this discussion and a question has arisen regarding ethics of shooting that i'm not sure how to answer.

 

Alot of people openly admit to missing the odd shot - there's plenty of posts an here to support this

 

I've also heard countless hunters say when asked about hunting 'if i can't guarantee a clean kill, i won't take the shot' - myself included

 

So if you miss, you've taken a shot you can't guarantee - right? And if you've missed, the pellet could fly high, too far left, too far low or even wound the animal right? Hmmmm...

 

So the only thing i conclude from this is that missing the odd shot is bound to happen, and with that, so is the chance that you may wound the animal. Responsible shooting does not eradicate the chance of wounding, it merely keeps it to a minimum.

 

 

Does this sound right?

 

I'm by far no expert but I suppose its the risk involved with hunting. There must be many factors that could cause a shot to miss even if you are the best shot in the world. At the end of the day you are firing a weapon at an animal and theres is a risk of wounding. Its the same with foul hooking in fishing. Its not nice but it sometimes happens.

 

Thats a shame about the yew Christian. Was there nothing Phil could do?

[farmerkev09 105]

well done pal

hope there is plenty more to come

 

 

 

 

happy hunting

[plinkplinkplop 0]

Hi guys,

 

I've just been reading this discussion and a question has arisen regarding ethics of shooting that i'm not sure how to answer.

 

Alot of people openly admit to missing the odd shot - there's plenty of posts an here to support this

 

I've also heard countless hunters say when asked about hunting 'if i can't guarantee a clean kill, i won't take the shot' - myself included

 

So if you miss, you've taken a shot you can't guarantee - right? And if you've missed, the pellet could fly high, too far left, too far low or even wound the animal right? Hmmmm...

 

So the only thing i conclude from this is that missing the odd shot is bound to happen, and with that, so is the chance that you may wound the animal. Responsible shooting does not eradicate the chance of wounding, it merely keeps it to a minimum.

 

 

Does this sound right?

 

I'm by far no expert but I suppose its the risk involved with hunting. There must be many factors that could cause a shot to miss even if you are the best shot in the world. At the end of the day you are firing a weapon at an animal and theres is a risk of wounding. Its the same with foul hooking in fishing. Its not nice but it sometimes happens.

 

Thats a shame about the yew Christian. Was there nothing Phil could do?

 

Naa mate, it had a calcium injection before Phil went fishing, its got alot to do with the warm days and cold nights we are getting the mo.

[Queequeg 0]

Hi guys,

 

I've just been reading this discussion and a question has arisen regarding ethics of shooting that i'm not sure how to answer.

 

Alot of people openly admit to missing the odd shot - there's plenty of posts an here to support this

 

I've also heard countless hunters say when asked about hunting 'if i can't guarantee a clean kill, i won't take the shot' - myself included

 

So if you miss, you've taken a shot you can't guarantee - right? And if you've missed, the pellet could fly high, too far left, too far low or even wound the animal right? Hmmmm...

 

So the only thing i conclude from this is that missing the odd shot is bound to happen, and with that, so is the chance that you may wound the animal. Responsible shooting does not eradicate the chance of wounding, it merely keeps it to a minimum.

 

 

Does this sound right?

 

I'm by far no expert but I suppose its the risk involved with hunting. There must be many factors that could cause a shot to miss even if you are the best shot in the world. At the end of the day you are firing a weapon at an animal and theres is a risk of wounding. Its the same with foul hooking in fishing. Its not nice but it sometimes happens.

 

Thats a shame about the yew Christian. Was there nothing Phil could do?

 

Naa mate, it had a calcium injection before Phil went fishing, its got alot to do with the warm days and cold nights we are getting the mo.

 

Ahh I did see the empty bottles near the hedge. Poor thing nevermind. Might try and get over my mates at the weekend and do some target practice and try out the rifle.

[pest hunter 151 15]

Hi guys,

 

I've just been reading this discussion and a question has arisen regarding ethics of shooting that i'm not sure how to answer.

 

Alot of people openly admit to missing the odd shot - there's plenty of posts an here to support this

 

I've also heard countless hunters say when asked about hunting 'if i can't guarantee a clean kill, i won't take the shot' - myself included

 

So if you miss, you've taken a shot you can't guarantee - right? And if you've missed, the pellet could fly high, too far left, too far low or even wound the animal right? Hmmmm...

 

So the only thing i conclude from this is that missing the odd shot is bound to happen, and with that, so is the chance that you may wound the animal. Responsible shooting does not eradicate the chance of wounding, it merely keeps it to a minimum.

 

 

Does this sound right?

i think you have that spot on mate its impossible to guarantee a kill but you can minimize you misses

[Phantom 631]

Found the pellet just behind the front leg and a couple of ribs all caved in, was it a good shot I geuss so but I'm sure I will find out in the next few posts lol

 

As for putting 10 pellets in a twenty pence piece, maybe at Ten yds And from standing that is some achievment If I can hit a Rabbit at 40/50 yds I'm happy whether I take it for the pot or it gets away, as they say shit happens.

 

The way I look at is its one less Rabbit thats colapsing hedges, distroying crops etc, etc, etc. The farmer is happy and I am happy to be out enjoying what I do with a mate, and on even better note I picked up another 70/80 acres today

 

If you can't do that from 30 yards, you deffinately need more time on the range and should certainly not be trying to pull off longer shots standing

 

That attitude to me and most other responsible hunters just sucks

Talk about giving the anti's the amunition they want to bring airgun hunting into disrepute

 

Phantom

[Edgar 1]

In theory with practice, the right kit, good range and wind estimation, ect nothing should ever be wounded. In practice I admit to wounding a few things out of the hundreds I've shot. It happens, however the more I shoot the less it happens, haven't wounded anything lately. I personally think people should think more, what happens if I wound it, before shooting, for example if a rabbit is just outside it's hole I usually sit down and wait 10 minutes for it to move in to the open. It doesn't hurt and something else may come along while you are waiting. So in my opinion people should shoot to kill but also plan ahead in case they wound it.

[seffa 0]

Dont take this the wrong way buddy, but if you cant kill cleanly you shouldnt be shooting live quarry. I think you need to keep at the targets for a little while yet, put them out at different ranges and work out your hold over/hold under for the distances.

Also its harder to judge ranges in the dark, just keep at it matey. Practice makes perfect.

ATB

why do call yourself slingshot , slingshot, do you reckon your good with a gat

[Phantom 631]

Dont take this the wrong way buddy, but if you cant kill cleanly you shouldnt be shooting live quarry. I think you need to keep at the targets for a little while yet, put them out at different ranges and work out your hold over/hold under for the distances.

Also its harder to judge ranges in the dark, just keep at it matey. Practice makes perfect.

ATB

why do call yourself slingshot , slingshot, do you reckon your good with a gat

 

Apart from trying to provoke an angry response whats that question got to do with this thread?

 

He calls himself slingshot, because he wants to I should think

Why do you call yourself seffa? I am assuming its because you want to?

Why do I call myself Phantom? Because I want to

 

Dumb question or what

 

Phantom

[seffa 0]

i wasent asking you

[aaronpigeonplucker 32]

it was NOT good shot if it was in the front leg. you need to get down on targets and make sure you can hit a area the size of a 50 pence piece before you even think about shooting rabbits. everybody has the odd runner but your first rabbit was obviously wounded because you found bllod and the second ran for a while befor eit went down. get down the range and practice!

Edited March 11, 2010 by aaronpigeonplucker

[aaronpigeonplucker 32]

Cheers Adam The Ewe didn't make it, just the eyes pecked this morning, poor bugger was in Lamb too.

 

Hmmm well how do I answer all these points, I can see some fun conversations going on on this Forum. First Rabbit kill at night, used to shoot anything that moved!! And then Women, Bikes, Cars and kids came along!!!

 

Found the pellet just behind the front leg and a couple of ribs all caved in, was it a good shot I geuss so but I'm sure I will find out in the next few posts lol

 

As for putting 10 pellets in a twenty pence piece, maybe at Ten yds And from standing that is some achievment If I can hit a Rabbit at 40/50 yds I'm happy whether I take it for the pot or it gets away, as they say shit happens.

 

The way I look at is its one less Rabbit thats colapsing hedges, distroying crops etc, etc, etc. The farmer is happy and I am happy to be out enjoying what I do with a mate, and on even better note I picked up another 70/80 acres today

you don't want to 'hit' a rabbit a 40/50 yards, you want to kill it cleanly, you've got your morals mixed up mate, clean shots first, crop protection second. its not acceptable to wound quarry, even if it means crops will be protected.

[Freddy Watts 1]

Found the pellet just behind the front leg and a couple of ribs all caved in, was it a good shot I geuss so but I'm sure I will find out in the next few posts lol

 

As for putting 10 pellets in a twenty pence piece, maybe at Ten yds And from standing that is some achievment If I can hit a Rabbit at 40/50 yds I'm happy whether I take it for the pot or it gets away, as they say shit happens.

 

The way I look at is its one less Rabbit thats colapsing hedges, distroying crops etc, etc, etc. The farmer is happy and I am happy to be out enjoying what I do with a mate, and on even better note I picked up another 70/80 acres today

 

If you can't do that from 30 yards, you deffinately need more time on the range and should certainly not be trying to pull off longer shots standing

 

That attitude to me and most other responsible hunters just sucks

Talk about giving the anti's the amunition they want to bring airgun hunting into disrepute

 

Phantom

 

Phantom knows what he is talking about. Listen to his advice.

 

Quite honestly that attitude is disgusting. Not too worried about the anti's more worried about the amount of bunnies running around with bits of lead in them.

 

it was NOT good shot if it was in the front leg. you need to get down on targets and make sure you can hit a area the size of a 50 pence piece before you even think about shooting rabbits. everybody has the odd runner but your first rabbit was obviously wounded because you found bllod and the second ran for a while befor eit went down. get down the range and practice!

 

Aaron talks sense. We know no one is perfect but if you are going out just to hit anything regardless of the result thats just not on.

 

Maybe more like a 20p but 50p is stil better than what you have now. You need to seriously work on you shooting and your attitude towards your quarry.

 

Freddy

[aaronpigeonplucker 32]

 

Aaron talks sense. We know no one is perfect but if you are going out just to hit anything regardless of the result thats just not on.

 

Maybe more like a 20p but 50p is stil better than what you have now. You need to seriously work on you shooting and your attitude towards your quarry.

 

Freddy

well, a 50p piece dose cover the kill area of a rabbit in my opinion. anything better than a body shot.

[plinkplinkplop 0]

Well once again lost of questions As for some of you I think the apropriate advice is and I bet you hve a copy of Brighteyes in your CD rack lol if knew the thread was going to get like this I would have put more juicy detial in it!!!

 

I live in cornwall where as far as I know there is not many shooting clubs and if there was I wouldn't be intrested :sick: espsecially if it consisted in wasting time on a 20p size targets. I practice in my back garden hitting a 50p size target at 30ish yards in a standing position, thats good enough for me, if I hit a Rabbit in 0 degrees after walking over a mile or two than thats a bonus(I certianly won't be sitting down for 10 minutes in those temps!!) If I wound it than thats just the way it is. I/we (Queequeg) are very lucky that we have 300+ acres to shoot on!! And we are the only ones that do shoot there!!

 

Oh and as for in the front leg comment, try reading the post again