a rise in bull terrier numbers

[samstorm 34]

will see how close my dog is tonight eh bud, at least i can run mine hahaha, who u gonna bring nell?? its right tho aces can show there dogs and have no incidents, due to correct handling and whatever, it would just be nice to go to a show and be able to show my dog, its a working dog that cant be shown in a working dog show, how stupid is that? or even an open terrier class, for any WORKING terrier,

[the bullcross man 6]

im taking the one and only dixon

[samstorm 34]

dixon the camel mr 3 stiches wonder hound hahaha, number 1 what?? yelper

[the bullcross man 6]

you have seen what he can do

[samstorm 34]

true true, but the little black butcherwill do the same!! just not as quik haha

[the bullcross man 6]

hopefully she will this year it would be a good hand for dixon

[Bosun11 537]

The Aces show and many other bull terrier only shows are well run, well organised events that promote bull terriers in their own right, run by people who are looking out to promote the best of them breeds.

Mixing them with working terrier's and lurchers (many with bull blood), dogs that carry the marks of a legitimate well worked life, will do nothing but harm to both parties.

It's sad to say but we have an undesirable element to our chosen vocation and personally, I feel it would be fueled with the re-introduction of bull breeds.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

By current climate i meant the resent press coverage of

the governments ongoing research in to a new dangerous dog act

and resent dog attacks , we all know the breeds and the working

values and temperament , the problem is the public their perception

of bull breeds has been manipulated by the press , the ban brings

its own attention , the general public do not associate bull breeds

with hunting i am afraid , this in its self will take a long time

to change

["Earth!" 503]

By current climate i meant the resent press coverage of

the governments ongoing research in to a new dangerous dog act

and resent dog attacks , we all know the breeds and the working

values and temperament , the problem is the public their perception

of bull breeds has been manipulated by the press , the ban brings

its own attention , the general public do not associate bull breeds

with hunting i am afraid , this in its self will take a long time

to change

 

i doubt the publics view will never change.they are too naive,hear of a bull or rotty attack then label the whole breed.what about all the other attacks by other breeds? it happens,you know it,i know it but it doesnt get published.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

By current climate i meant the resent press coverage of

the governments ongoing research in to a new dangerous dog act

and resent dog attacks , we all know the breeds and the working

values and temperament , the problem is the public their perception

of bull breeds has been manipulated by the press , the ban brings

its own attention , the general public do not associate bull breeds

with hunting i am afraid , this in its self will take a long time

to change

 

i doubt the publics view will never change.they are too naive,hear of a bull or rotty attack then label the whole breed.what about all the other attacks by other breeds? it happens,you know it,i know it but it doesnt get published.

The Labrador is the most reported dog for biting , the press never print this

most staff,English, even apb go through life without biting a human or fellow canine

as i said the few the very few have turned these cracking animals into the hated

mass hysteria , but who in the right mind would leave any yes any dog with a child

let alone a baby ,

[staffiedownwest 6]

By current climate i meant the resent press coverage of

the governments ongoing research in to a new dangerous dog act

and resent dog attacks , we all know the breeds and the working

values and temperament , the problem is the public their perception

of bull breeds has been manipulated by the press , the ban brings

its own attention , the general public do not associate bull breeds

with hunting i am afraid , this in its self will take a long time

to change

 

i doubt the publics view will never change.they are too naive,hear of a bull or rotty attack then label the whole breed.what about all the other attacks by other breeds? it happens,you know it,i know it but it doesnt get published.

 

 

Actually the picture being used in the press this week is of a little girl who was biten by an Alsation. So it does get published when other breeds bite, but admittedly not as much as it should.

 

I own 2 staffs and 5 lurchers, all have shown, from grass roots Terrier and Lurchers show right through to crufts. I have shown my youngest staff at many lurchers shows in the terrier ring under "any other terrier" - he has yet to be beaten in that class, but I have been asked, on more than one occasion, by the Judge, (and I quote) "he is an outstanding dog, but would you mind not showing him in the championship, the other terrier owners might not like it" - so he is good enough to show in a class which is non descript, but not good enough to put up against all the other terriers - why? Perhaps, my staff would beat them all hands down and they don't like it - perhaps the Judges have all thought that he shouldn't be shown at this level, but I can't see the difference. Like you say, it is irresponsible owners that give the rest of us a bad name. BREED not DEED is so true.

 

BUT, i have to agree whilst there are too many irresponsible owners with these breeds, why give them any further opportunity of ruining what is a fantastic breed. I wouldnt be without my staffs, for work or play, nor my lurchers, but until the government stop persecuting us owners, and this new bill/act won't do that, maybe we should stick to gradually raising the profile of these magnificant animals.

Edited March 10, 2010 by staffiedownwest

[Strong Stuff 2,171]

i think your wrong to say keep them out of shows, surely rules could be put in place to allow such shows, e,g, muzzled dogs, you cant tar every bull owner with the same brush, were not all in it to look good (strange thing to say on the topic of shows lol) not every one wants there dog to be harder than his mates,, i think and im sure alot of other people would agree, that bull terriers should be aloud to be shown in a working terrier show, cheers samstorm

 

Jesus .............

 

So you'll have 20 or so Bull breeds, and their owners standing around in a ring .............. the dogs will have muzzles on ................ most of them will be screaming at each other ..............

 

That will make a nice photo for the Scum newspaper or to go on Panorama.

 

 

Low profile is the way forward!

staffs and english bulls can be shown at krufts why not in the working dog shows. its ridiculas every other breed can be shown just not bulls!!! if not muzzles what do you propose strongstuff?? ideas welcome, how do the aces people manage it??

 

I don't propose anything.

 

Working dog shows are supposed to be exactly that, places where working dogs are shown for a bit fun in the summer to raise funds for hunts and clubs.

 

If you've got a working stafford then take it to shows and enter it in some of the classes, or does that take more effort than typing?

 

ACES do what they do, and they do it well, if that's your thing why don't you take your dog there?

 

It's no good coming on here moaning about problems that don't actually exist, make the effort to get out and about, how many shows did you go to last year or the year before that with your dog?

 

The old days of having "strong dog" classes at shows are long gone.

 

 

Just a thought ............... there are loads of small shows advertised on here through the summer, mostly put on here by the lads who actually draw up the classes, have you been through the show section and pm'd the lads who organise them to ask them why they don't have strong dog classes at their shows?

 

The old days have gone, it's over, I even heard the other day that you're not allowed to put children up the chimney any more to sweep it .................... what's this world coming to?

[Bosun11 537]

i think your wrong to say keep them out of shows, surely rules could be put in place to allow such shows, e,g, muzzled dogs, you cant tar every bull owner with the same brush, were not all in it to look good (strange thing to say on the topic of shows lol) not every one wants there dog to be harder than his mates,, i think and im sure alot of other people would agree, that bull terriers should be aloud to be shown in a working terrier show, cheers samstorm

 

Jesus .............

 

So you'll have 20 or so Bull breeds, and their owners standing around in a ring .............. the dogs will have muzzles on ................ most of them will be screaming at each other ..............

 

That will make a nice photo for the Scum newspaper or to go on Panorama.

 

 

Low profile is the way forward!

staffs and english bulls can be shown at krufts why not in the working dog shows. its ridiculas every other breed can be shown just not bulls!!! if not muzzles what do you propose strongstuff?? ideas welcome, how do the aces people manage it??

 

I don't propose anything.

 

Working dog shows are supposed to be exactly that, places where working dogs are shown for a bit fun in the summer to raise funds for hunts and clubs.

 

If you've got a working stafford then take it to shows and enter it in some of the classes, or does that take more effort than typing?

 

ACES do what they do, and they do it well, if that's your thing why don't you take your dog there?

 

It's no good coming on here moaning about problems that don't actually exist, make the effort to get out and about, how many shows did you go to last year or the year before that with your dog?

 

The old days of having "strong dog" classes at shows are long gone.

 

 

Just a thought ............... there are loads of small shows advertised on here through the summer, mostly put on here by the lads who actually draw up the classes, have you been through the show section and pm'd the lads who organise them to ask them why they don't have strong dog classes at their shows?

 

The old days have gone, it's over, I even heard the other day that you're not allowed to put children up the chimney any more to sweep it .................... what's this world coming to?

 

[scent 509]

i think your wrong to say keep them out of shows, surely rules could be put in place to allow such shows, e,g, muzzled dogs, you cant tar every bull owner with the same brush, were not all in it to look good (strange thing to say on the topic of shows lol) not every one wants there dog to be harder than his mates,, i think and im sure alot of other people would agree, that bull terriers should be aloud to be shown in a working terrier show, cheers samstorm

 

Jesus .............

 

So you'll have 20 or so Bull breeds, and their owners standing around in a ring .............. the dogs will have muzzles on ................ most of them will be screaming at each other ..............

 

That will make a nice photo for the Scum newspaper or to go on Panorama.

 

 

Low profile is the way forward!

staffs and english bulls can be shown at krufts why not in the working dog shows. its ridiculas every other breed can be shown just not bulls!!! if not muzzles what do you propose strongstuff?? ideas welcome, how do the aces people manage it??

do you think the bulls at krufts would have a different temprement then the likes of working bulls that lads would have at working dog shows

[samstorm 34]

strongstuff at the time of last years shows i was helping a mate by going with him and showin 1 of his lurchers, and my dog wasnt really doing the deed, plus most of those shows dont have an "any terrier" class if only they did! and the year before that my dog didnt even exsist during the show season, and they only stopped putting kids up the chimney because you were the best and u couldnt fit no more,

 

Any ways my dog will be at every show with me this year no matter who i go with, and hopefully i WILL be able to show her, but this isnt about me n my dog, every bull breed owner should have the right to show there dogs,