Differant laws

[Hoolit 2]

Just wondering are the laws on Fac differant in Scotland from England, for example open certificate etc limited certificate im not really sure what they mean by open certs etc.

Thanks in advance everyone .

[Leicester hunter 0]

not sure exactly the differences, but yes the laws are different between England and Scotland.

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

An "Open" ticket, is where you are able to decide whether or not a piece of land is safe to shoot on, and providing you have the permission, can shoot it without informing the police.

[Colster 1]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

[Hoolit 2]

Thanks guys its a bit more clear now .

[Leicester hunter 0]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

[Colster 1]

 

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

No and No but it doesn't hurt to send copies to your FEO, helps support your case when applying for your cert to be opened as it shows you're gaining experience on different land.

[JonathanL 4]

Just wondering are the laws on Fac differant in Scotland from England, for example open certificate etc limited certificate im not really sure what they mean by open certs etc.

Thanks in advance everyone .

 

The law is exactly the same although it may be administered differently from force to force. There is nothing in law which says what conditions as to land use have to go on the certificate.

 

The terms "open" an "closed" are used to describe whether you can shoot over any land or just certain bits of land. These conditions are applied by the licensing authority (the cops) depending on what they think is appropriate.

 

J.

[JonathanL 4]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.

 

This thing about passing pieces of land for certain calibres is used so that if someone applies for an FAC who hasn't had one before the cops know that the land has been looked at and is safe as the person getting the FAC may not be knowledgable enough to judge for him self.

[dave1372 83]

Far better to live in Scotland...far less hassle!

[Leicester hunter 0]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.

 

This thing about passing pieces of land for certain calibres is used so that if someone applies for an FAC who hasn't had one before the cops know that the land has been looked at and is safe as the person getting the FAC may not be knowledgable enough to judge for him self.

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

Edited March 12, 2010 by Leicester hunter

[Treacle Trackpad 6]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.

 

This thing about passing pieces of land for certain calibres is used so that if someone applies for an FAC who hasn't had one before the cops know that the land has been looked at and is safe as the person getting the FAC may not be knowledgable enough to judge for him self.

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

 

Yep

[JonathanL 4]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.

 

This thing about passing pieces of land for certain calibres is used so that if someone applies for an FAC who hasn't had one before the cops know that the land has been looked at and is safe as the person getting the FAC may not be knowledgable enough to judge for him self.

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

 

It does but that's not what I was referring to in my reply. If you have persmission to shoot over any piece of land then that is what you can do.

 

I have to admit that I haven't heard of that particular condition you mention.

 

J.

[Leicester hunter 0]

 

 

Generally in England, the ticket will be "closed", this means you can only shoot on the land you have on your licence.

 

 

 

...or other land provided that you have checked that it's cleared by the local FLO for the calibre you intend to use first.

 

Do you need to inform Firearms Dept if you shoot on another permission? (assuming its passed calibre)

And also do you need to send written permission? (As when applying)

 

If your cert allows you to shoot on any piece of land then that is what you can do. As long as you have permission to shoot on the land you do not need to inform the cops of anything and there is no requirement for the land to be "passed" by the cops for using a particular calibre on.

 

This thing about passing pieces of land for certain calibres is used so that if someone applies for an FAC who hasn't had one before the cops know that the land has been looked at and is safe as the person getting the FAC may not be knowledgable enough to judge for him self.

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

 

It does but that's not what I was referring to in my reply. If you have persmission to shoot over any piece of land then that is what you can do.

 

I have to admit that I haven't heard of that particular condition you mention.

 

J.

 

But isnt to have permission to shoot over any land an open ticket? IE the holder has the responsibility and experience to grade the land other than the police?

[Colster 1]

 

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

 

It does but that's not what I was referring to in my reply. If you have persmission to shoot over any piece of land then that is what you can do.

 

I have to admit that I haven't heard of that particular condition you mention.

 

J.

 

But isnt to have permission to shoot over any land an open ticket? IE the holder has the responsibility and experience to grade the land other than the police?

 

Not sure why Jonathan has never seen this condition unless his cert was open from the start but it's the standard line for a closed cert.

 

With a closed cert you CAN shoot anywhere, you just need to either check it's already cleared or arrange to have it cleared for the calibre you intend to use.

 

Obviously you need the landowners permission but you would still need that with an open cert too.

[JonathanL 4]

 

 

I dont understand this, as my licence (closed) states the following:-

 

"or land deemed suitable by the chief officer of police for the area the land is situated and over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot"

 

Surely this must mean the land has be be checked and cleared for the calibre intended?

 

It does but that's not what I was referring to in my reply. If you have persmission to shoot over any piece of land then that is what you can do.

 

I have to admit that I haven't heard of that particular condition you mention.

 

J.

 

But isnt to have permission to shoot over any land an open ticket? IE the holder has the responsibility and experience to grade the land other than the police?

 

Not sure why Jonathan has never seen this condition unless his cert was open from the start but it's the standard line for a closed cert.

 

With a closed cert you CAN shoot anywhere, you just need to either check it's already cleared or arrange to have it cleared for the calibre you intend to use.

 

Obviously you need the landowners permission but you would still need that with an open cert too.

 

I don't have any land use on my ticket at the moment, just range use. When I did it specified the land I had plus any other land I had permission over so the part about getting it checked every time I wanted to shoot somewhere else didn't apply.

 

J.