Guest fence_hopper Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. Quote Link to post
turbotyke 62 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. i agree with you in some respects with children not going any were near the bitch whilst she was in this state but its a big risk to have the dog near his son now she could turn at any time and in my book the kids come first to anything and the dog would have been gone by now Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. i agree with you in some respects with children not going any were near the bitch whilst she was in this state but its a big risk to have the dog near his son now she could turn at any time and in my book the kids come first to anything and the dog would have been gone by now Obviously the kids come first. The point i'm making is the bitch should have had an area put aside and prepared for her to whelp in, and now even more so when she is clearly acting out of character due to the stressful birth. It is madness to allow children near her. Why not just provide the very basic level of care that a whelping bitch deserves, and allow her the peace and seclusion she needs. The stress this whole incident has put her under and now the hormone imbalance she will be suffering, makes her a potential time bomb. I think it is totally unfair to suggest that he gets rid of the dog because of this, with a greater planning and a more responsible attitude to what the dogs needs are then it is blindingly obvious that the aggression is a product of the situation. Deal with it by not allowing the kids near her, simple really. Obviously if when the pups get to 8 weeks and are placed in new homes and the bitches hormones return to normal, she is still showing aggression, then yes perhaps access the situation again. Quote Link to post
turbotyke 62 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 i know its a human mistake were the dog has to suffer but you cant risk your son . you could wait to see if she calms down but now shes gone for your son whats to say she wont do it again its just a shit you cant put her outside so there would only be one option in my eyes im not saying have her put down you could get her a new home were there are no kids atb with your decision jenna Quote Link to post
pigeonman 8 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. i agree with you in some respects with children not going any were near the bitch whilst she was in this state but its a big risk to have the dog near his son now she could turn at any time and in my book the kids come first to anything and the dog would have been gone by now Obviously the kids come first. The point i'm making is the bitch should have had an area put aside and prepared for her to whelp in, and now even more so when she is clearly acting out of character due to the stressful birth. It is madness to allow children near her. Why not just provide the very basic level of care that a whelping bitch deserves, and allow her the peace and seclusion she needs. The stress this whole incident has put her under and now the hormone imbalance she will be suffering, makes her a potential time bomb. I think it is totally unfair to suggest that he gets rid of the dog because of this, with a greater planning and a more responsible attitude to what the dogs needs are then it is blindingly obvious that the aggression is a product of the situation. Deal with it by not allowing the kids near her, simple really. Obviously if when the pups get to 8 weeks and are placed in new homes and the bitches hormones return to normal, she is still showing aggression, then yes perhaps access the situation again. what makes you think i didnt have a nice and secluded place for her to whelp? i took her her out the garden to go a piss n on the way she went for mi boy..... its not as if i had her givin birth in the front room! although this is the first time ive bred a dog, i done a lot of readin up, spoke to a lot of people including my local vet. According to my vet sometimes a bitch can just be very difficult to deal with after giving birth, thats just the way it is, but being agresive towards a child is a different thing, which my vet agreed with. its funny shes not going for me or my girlfriend. Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 i know its a human mistake were the dog has to suffer but you cant risk your son . you could wait to see if she calms down but now shes gone for your son whats to say she wont do it again its just a shit you cant put her outside so there would only be one option in my eyes im not saying have her put down you could get her a new home were there are no kids atb with your decision jenna I understand what your saying, however i do still believe the aggression is ONLY due to the current situation, not because the dog has suddenly turned into a monster. Anyway as you've said its his decision. Quote Link to post
pigeonman 8 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 thats aa bit much sayin that anyone with a bit of sence would keep the dog away from my child! i would protect my son no matter what! and i would never put him in needless danger which exactly why ive considered rehoming her or having her put down if things dont get better over the coming week, you can bitch my lack of dog breeding knowledge but dont question my fatherin! Quote Link to post
Hannah4181 260 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. i agree with you in some respects with children not going any were near the bitch whilst she was in this state but its a big risk to have the dog near his son now she could turn at any time and in my book the kids come first to anything and the dog would have been gone by now Obviously the kids come first. The point i'm making is the bitch should have had an area put aside and prepared for her to whelp in, and now even more so when she is clearly acting out of character due to the stressful birth. It is madness to allow children near her. Why not just provide the very basic level of care that a whelping bitch deserves, and allow her the peace and seclusion she needs. The stress this whole incident has put her under and now the hormone imbalance she will be suffering, makes her a potential time bomb. I think it is totally unfair to suggest that he gets rid of the dog because of this, with a greater planning and a more responsible attitude to what the dogs needs are then it is blindingly obvious that the aggression is a product of the situation. Deal with it by not allowing the kids near her, simple really. Obviously if when the pups get to 8 weeks and are placed in new homes and the bitches hormones return to normal, she is still showing aggression, then yes perhaps access the situation again. what makes you think i didnt have a nice and secluded place for her to whelp? i took her her out the garden to go a piss n on the way she went for mi boy..... its not as if i had her givin birth in the front room! although this is the first time ive bred a dog, i done a lot of readin up, spoke to a lot of people including my local vet. According to my vet sometimes a bitch can just be very difficult to deal with after giving birth, thats just the way it is, but being agresive towards a child is a different thing, which my vet agreed with. its funny shes not going for me or my girlfriend. With further explanation of the situation it is now clearer. I wasn't getting at you as such, just i can't understand why people are so quick to suggest the dog is moved on when clearly she is very very stressed. It maybe that your son being so small is a threat to her. Obviously a very worrying time for you, i would however allow things to settle down before making any rash decisions. It may also be an option to get a friend to rear the puppies so there are not in the house and the bitch can slowly return to normal. You could try the bitch with some rescue remedy . . . its a herbal liquid which you can purchase from any chemist. Stick about 8/10 drops on a piece of meat and that should settle her right down. I've used it in the past to take the excitement out of young horses and its been very effective. Good luck with the puppies. Quote Link to post
Guest fence_hopper Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Yes it is an accident waiting to happen. But one that anyone with an ounce of dog knowledge would have avoided by allowing the bitch to have the privacy and peace she needed to whelp her first litter. very true i pm'ed the fella the same bit of idvice 2 days ago lurchers dont need help like some pedegrees they cope quite easy just make sure there warm dry plenty of food and water jobs done you wont have any problems Quote Link to post
stormrider8 59 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 I met somone who breeds English bulls a while back and this can be quite common with them. They take all there pups from the mother, they then muzzel the bitch and put the pups on her every 2 hours for the first 2 weeks then every 4 hours after that. A lot of dedication needed but you cant replace the colostrum or the milk from the bitch. good luck Quote Link to post
Guest fence_hopper Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 thats aa bit much sayin that anyone with a bit of sence would keep the dog away from my child! i would protect my son no matter what! and i would never put him in needless danger which exactly why ive considered rehoming her or having her put down if things dont get better over the coming week, you can bitch my lack of dog breeding knowledge but dont question my fatherin! just be carefull fella plenty of kids been scared buy dogs, if she has shown agression to a child do what you think is right you wouldnt want it on your consciounce (if thats how you spell it ) Quote Link to post
Guest Arsenal F.C Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 For the moment at least shall we stop talking about killing the poor f****r?! Shes just given birth, of course her hormones are all over the place. Especially if its her first litter! 2 options: Option 1) Give her pups back and if she kills um she kills um and then she will get back to normal over the next few weeks, Option 2) Keep her away from the pups and your son and play it by ear. Without her pups she will be just as traumatised as any HUMAN would be regardless of wether she kills um or just has um taken off her by you. Why is she going bonkers? Because she is hormonal and traumatised! What she needs right now is understanding, support and time, not a bullet! Thank f.u.k someones speaks sense .... Quote Link to post
pigeonman 8 Posted March 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 yeh u know mate! Quote Link to post
steveS.Yorks 161 Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 fuk me i dont care if they where five minutes old if the bitch is showing aggresion its an acsident wainting to happen doesnt take much to disfigure a childs face for life. like said bitch should of been left alone and nature of taken its course, if they survive they survive if they dont they dont theres plenty enough lurchers out there anyway not as if there going extinct Got to agree with this post,under no circumstances should she go for the child,i had an exellent small lurcher yrs ago and he suddenly for no reason attacked a child,although no real damage was done he was pts the same day,just not worth the risk. Its obviously something to do with having the litter[hormones..ect]but maybe the dogs faulty,and maybe the pups will turn out faulty? And as for re homing who in their right mind would take a dog that was suspect with kids,even people without kids ussually have nephews,neices and neighbours kids to consider,personally i would do the right thing with all 3 of them,might sound a bit harsh but thats a part of having dogs and doing things responsibly. Quote Link to post
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