SHOTGUNSNIPER 47 Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 14:31, lab-tastic said: On 22/03/2010 at 14:19, SHOTGUNSNIPER said: On 22/03/2010 at 14:11, lab-tastic said: On 22/03/2010 at 13:53, SHOTGUNSNIPER said: On 22/03/2010 at 12:49, lab-tastic said: On 22/03/2010 at 12:44, SHOTGUNSNIPER said: On 22/03/2010 at 12:10, lab-tastic said: SGS........Are you Osama Bin Laden? No I am not but I do a great Elvis impersonation! Well hurry up and leave the building then!! I know I will do a combination impersonation and call it Osama bin Elvis - and blow up the building ----- Just joking now don't get "arsed"..... I knew it, your a terrorist!! Honestly mate i'd love to get into a full on debate with you but political stuff really bores me. But you are right in some ways- this country has some shitty laws and there is a "someone else will do it" attitude as well. Unfortunately if you think for one minute that you and your makeshift army would be able to overturn your military when there mind is made up then you need to get of that x box and step into the real world. The Tory's made a very similar statement to the colonials then were shown the way home! I don't play Xbox or any other video games - too much real stuff to do. Great to chat with you Lab..... Cheers mate, same to you. Its a pity i'm not clued up on all this stuff cause i would like to challenge you on some of your views but i feel you have the upper hand on this subject. Afterall no one wants to get beaten by a Yank!! Feel free to PM me or go to my site. I believe there is misinformation circulating on both sides of the pond concerning the policies and laws in the UK or the USA. This is why I go onto this site - to learn more about the world.... Still didn't get my question answered :glare: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) Go onto my site......... Jog on! The internet is amazing. Edited March 22, 2010 by artic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) On 22/03/2010 at 13:45, SHOTGUNSNIPER said: Own and carry pistols openly and concealed. Own and carry Assault rifles semi and full auto - Full auto requires a federal tax document and and background check. Hunt on lands that are not owned by some Lord - We don't need permissions to hunt or fish only on private property. Protectect yourself and family without going to jail. Hunt with dogs. Freedom of speech! Go into buisness with out needing permission. it goes on .... :rofl: HAHAHAHAHA You are f*****g incredibly unbelievably ridiculously American!!!!! :rofl: I don't need to carry a pistol, and as I understand it, if anyone in this country can prove that they need a pistol, they can obtain one. If I don't need a pistol then what the f*ck would I need an automatic rifle for? And besides I asked you what rights you have over there apart from the right to bear arms? I can hunt on lands that aren't owned by some lord, so you're wrong here. I can and have protected myself without going to jail (Just last September I was taken to court for launching some Bouncers teeth out, they looked at the case, seen that I simply defended myself against this man and threw the case out) So you're wrong here too. I can and do hunt legally with dogs and Ferrets, a couple of friends also use Birds to hunt with so yet again, you're wrong! I can have my own business as when I see fit, wrong again. And I've saved the best for last FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl: Just where did you hear that we do not have the basic right to freedom of speech Everyone has the right to freedom of speech over here! You're so far from the mark here mate that you're just sounding stupid. And all this coming from an American who's country denied certain people in society the right to vote, use the same toilets, sit at the front of the bus, buy a house on a certain street, and even eat in the same restaurant not so long ago. Another thing that makes me laugh is that you go on so much about your guns like you don't even realise just what a problem guns are in your country. Edited March 22, 2010 by Attack Fell Terrier Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:06, Attack Fell Terrier said: On 22/03/2010 at 13:45, SHOTGUNSNIPER said: Own and carry pistols openly and concealed. Own and carry Assault rifles semi and full auto - Full auto requires a federal tax document and and background check. Hunt on lands that are not owned by some Lord - We don't need permissions to hunt or fish only on private property. Protectect yourself and family without going to jail. Hunt with dogs. Freedom of speech! Go into buisness with out needing permission. it goes on .... HAHAHAHAHA You are f*****g incredibly unbelievably ridiculously American!!!!! I don't need to carry a pistol, and as I understand it, if anyone in this country can prove that they need a pistol, they can obtain one. If I don't need a pistol then what the f*ck would I need an automatic rifle for? And besides I asked you what rights you have over there apart from the right to bear arms? I can hunt on lands that aren't owned by some lord, so you're wrong here. I can and have protected myself without going to jail (Just last September I was taken to court for launching some Bouncers teeth out, they looked at the case, seen that I simply defended myself against this man and threw the case out) So you're wrong here too. I can and do hunt legally with dogs and Ferrets, a couple of friends also use Birds to hunt with so yet again, you're wrong! I can have my own business as when I see fit, wrong again. And I've saved the best for last FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Just where did you hear that we do not have the basic right to freedom of speech Everyone has the right to freedom of speech over here! You're so far from the mark here mate that you're just sounding stupid. And all this coming from an American who's country denied certain people in society the right to vote, use the same toilets, sit at the front of the bus, buy a house on a certain street, and even eat in the same restaurant not so long ago. Another thing that makes me laugh is that you go on so much about your guns like you don't even realise just what a problem guns are in your country. Well that dosent sound like the england i live in or maybe its just yorkshire were we are treat like shit in favour of asylum seekers and all the other dregs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 "Another thing that makes me laugh is that you go on so much about your guns like you don't even realise just what a problem guns are in your country" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) Just for the record, Americans enjoy freedoms far, far greater than ours, not just the right to bear arms. ....and for those on about America's problems with guns? Check out the ratio of gun crime per head of population. America may have more gun crime, but then again they have a shit load more people... You might be very surprised, there's not a huge difference in numbers. Edited March 22, 2010 by maltenby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:13, poacher3161 said: Well that dosent sound like the england i live in or maybe its just yorkshire were we are treat like shit in favour of asylum seekers and all the other dregs. So you're denied Freedom of speech because we've got millions of Asylum seekers? You're not allowed to get your own business up and running because of Asylum Seekers? You're not allowed to hunt with dogs because of Asylum seekers?..... You're free to do all of those things, the fact that we have too many imports in this country doesn't mean that we do not live in a free democratic country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:31, maltenby said: Just for the record, Americans enjoy freedoms far, far greater than ours, not just the right to bear arms. ....and for those on about America's problems with guns? Check out the ratio of gun crime per head of population. America may have more gun crime, but then again they have a shit load more people... You might be very surprised, there's not a huge difference in numbers. What are these freedoms then mate? I've asked Abraham Shotgun over there to tell me what freedoms they have over us apart from the right to bear arms, but he hasn't told me anything as of yet that makes him a Free person and me some sort of prisoner. Gun crime over here is sensationalised by the media to be a problem that is a lot bigger than it actually is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poacher3161 1,766 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:37, Attack Fell Terrier said: On 22/03/2010 at 15:13, poacher3161 said: Well that dosent sound like the england i live in or maybe its just yorkshire were we are treat like shit in favour of asylum seekers and all the other dregs. So you're denied Freedom of speech because we've got millions of Asylum seekers? You're not allowed to get your own business up and running because of Asylum Seekers? You're not allowed to hunt with dogs because of Asylum seekers?..... You're free to do all of those things, the fact that we have too many imports in this country doesn't mean that we do not live in a free democratic country. Were not allowed to run hares because the goverment says so more control thats just getting more out of control Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:55, poacher3161 said: On 22/03/2010 at 15:37, Attack Fell Terrier said: On 22/03/2010 at 15:13, poacher3161 said: Well that dosent sound like the england i live in or maybe its just yorkshire were we are treat like shit in favour of asylum seekers and all the other dregs. So you're denied Freedom of speech because we've got millions of Asylum seekers? You're not allowed to get your own business up and running because of Asylum Seekers? You're not allowed to hunt with dogs because of Asylum seekers?..... You're free to do all of those things, the fact that we have too many imports in this country doesn't mean that we do not live in a free democratic country. Were not allowed to run hares because the goverment says so more control thats just getting more out of control Yeah I don't like that Law either, its ridiculous but you can hunt them in other ways can't you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 15:47, Attack Fell Terrier said: What are these freedoms then mate? I've asked Abraham Shotgun over there to tell me what freedoms they have over us apart from the right to bear arms, but he hasn't told me anything as of yet that makes him a Free person and me some sort of prisoner. Gun crime over here is sensationalised by the media to be a problem that is a lot bigger than it actually is. The freedom to fish and hunt unhindered for a start... I'm not aware of the full list of the differences, but there are significant differences with the rights of the individuals. I'm no arselicker off the yanks, but there are some things that they do better over there. To name a few, Crime & Punishment: You break the law, you go to jail. No asbo's, piss easy community sentences, no room in the jails? They build more jails, no fecking about. No teenage yobs in & out of court terrorising OAPs with no fear of recrimination. 3 offences = Life. People like Huntley, Hindley, Brady, Sutcliffe, Rosemary West, Whiting et al = Fried/hung/PTS/etc. No messing. Foxhunting: Could you see the US government banning a centuries old rural tradition to appease a few thousand noisy antis when the majority of the population was indifferent? Petrol prices & ripping the population off: The reason given by our government for our extortionate petrol prices is to restrict the use of the car. Our prices are the highest they've ever been, and there are more cars on the road than ever, most households now have two cars. The government know that the policy of high petrol prices doesn't deter car use, we'll keep filling up no matter what the cost. Standing up for their rights: They do, we don't. Just a few off the top of my head. Sadly, as much as I love my country I feel there's very few things we do better over here. We put up with far too much... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
artic 595 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 This is very true. I cannot see the Uk doing any of that though. Not now, maybe when we are long dead. Maybe....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Attack Fell Terrier 864 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 On 22/03/2010 at 16:12, maltenby said: The freedom to fish and hunt unhindered for a start... I'm not aware of the full list of the differences, but there are significant differences with the rights of the individuals. But my point is anyone here can enjoy a good days fishing or hunting, fair enough there may be legislation in place but its not like we can't fish or hunt. On 22/03/2010 at 16:12, maltenby said: I'm no arselicker off the yanks, but there are some things that they do better over there. To name a few, Crime & Punishment: You break the law, you go to jail. No asbo's, piss easy community sentences, no room in the jails? They build more jails, no fecking about. No teenage yobs in & out of court terrorising OAPs with no fear of recrimination. 3 offences = Life. People like Huntley, Hindley, Brady, Sutcliffe, Rosemary West, Whiting et al = Fried/hung/PTS/etc. No messing. Malty me ol pal, please don't tell me you actually believe that man? have you seen just how useless their system is over there at keeping people from offending? All its good for is locking someone up for 500 years, Believe it mate, if you think we've got problems with OAP's being terrorised you'd have nightmares at what goes on over there. They've got people like Huntley, Brady, the West's and then some, they've got a f*****g abundance of them! Then lets not even get into the fact that they have sprawling ghetto's where they have chronic problems with education, child welfare and horrific poverty. We enjoy a much more moderate and mild society over here compared to over there without question. On 22/03/2010 at 16:12, maltenby said: Foxhunting: Could you see the US government banning a centuries old rural tradition to appease a few thousand noisy antis when the majority of the population was indifferent? Well they enforced prohibition for over ten years over there in the 20's, imagine them trying to do that over here!!! so I don't doubt for a second that their government would ban anything if they thought it'd earn them votes. On 22/03/2010 at 16:12, maltenby said: Petrol prices & ripping the population off: The reason given by our government for our extortionate petrol prices is to restrict the use of the car. Our prices are the highest they've ever been, and there are more cars on the road than ever, most households now have two cars. The government know that the policy of high petrol prices doesn't deter car use, we'll keep filling up no matter what the cost. Standing up for their rights: They do, we don't. Just a few off the top of my head. Sadly, as much as I love my country I feel there's very few things we do better over here. We put up with far too much... Malty you've gone off topic here mate, I'm talking about freedoms you're talking about the price of petrol here and what's done better when that isn't the question mate! All that has nothing to do freedom. We're still free to buy as much petrol as we like, fair enough the asking price is much higher than what the Yanks ask, but because they pay less for fuel does that make them Free and us not? I don't think it does. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUNSNIPER 47 Posted March 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 (edited) The law that bans a certain dog , gun , way to hunt , how a man can protect himself is far from the correct approach to dealing with a perceived problem.. We have seen un-reasoable laws come and go in various parts of the country. For instance it had been illegal for decades to have a gun, even in a home in the District of Columbia (our nations capitol) until last year - the ban was repealed about 1 year ago and guess what - home invasion crime went down 75% , gun crime and murder is also down significantly. Freedom of speech and the individual citizens right to vote brought the lifesaving repeal of this unreasonable law and put gun's back in the hands of law abiding citizens.... Civil rights in America are broad in that they are not set forth to limit or control the general population but are in place to preserve the individuals inalienable rights (AFT - inalienable is defined as god given) this is what makes free citizens. In the UK as in many countries the general population is referred to as subjects - This "legal" term is demeaning and is meant to be so. To beat the individual down and make an individual believe he has no god given rights. Under rule such as this an individual can be "subjected" to whatever the parlament/ government/crown/UN/NWO feels like dishing out - high tax's unreasonable narrow minded laws, police states , curfews, cant hunt rabbits this way or that or WHATEVER. Our constitution in America is in place to prevent these things. Lately the Constitution has been slightly eroded/and attacked by liberal and moderate minded greedy politicians locally and nationally attempting to control the general population.In response the citizens have proven that the system does work, just by voting/legislating the gun ban repeal in our nations capitol , a legal step that can now be applied to other areas in the USA for instance the gun ban in Chicago is now being considered unconstitutional and will also most likely be repealed. Another huge American city that has a huge crime problem will now follow suit. I bet the crime will drop in Chicago also, when the people are allowed to protect them selves with guns the word gets out. The criminals don't care about the law (AFT) they will use guns to rob and kill regardless. An unarmed population is heaven for armed criminals. I once had an idiot try to rob me with a small pistol, it was in a bad part of town I was working cable/construction and surveying a proposed job. He would have had my belongings and maybe my life at the point of his small poistol except I was armed and prepared to defend my self. When I pulled out my 1911 Colt .45 he shiat himself - literally. As it turned out he was a government transplanted criminal from Boston (another large city with a gun ban). He actually complained to the police that I was armed as they arrested him and took him away in an ambulance. It ended well - I did not kill the young punk, he was very lucky and so was I..... Killing a man is serious and one must be prepared for it if you want to defend your freedom from robbers with guns or other people who wish to beat you down and take from you. It is nothing like hunting rabbits or fox or deer! You must be prepared....... It is a real state of mind not a posed weak attempt to talk a criminal out of robbing you. You must be prepared...... Thank you Poacher and Malt I think you get it.... No offense especially to you two - I am getting rather bored with this thread - arguing with hopeless individuals does tend to wear on a chap... SGS Edited March 23, 2010 by SHOTGUNSNIPER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swampy 147 Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Two different countries two different cultures. Do not presume that we have laws here that restrict our freedoms and rights just based on one poor piece of legislation. Many of the hunting laws here have been introduced because we don't have the amount of game that could be sustained. If every man jack went out and killed everything just for the ego boost of blowing a bunny to pieces with a colt 45 there would be nothing left. Americans are obsessed with guns. Obsessed with size and generally obsessed with themselves. There is nothing worse than being preached to by someone whose basis of argument is so blinkered. It is time that america took a good long hard look in the mirror and see themselves for what they are. What happened in New Orleans after Katrina? Look at what has happened to Detroit? I doubt that the people there would side with your argument! Open your eyes and your mind and you might learn. The gun is not the answer to everything.............or possibly anything. Swampy In respect of AFT for continuing an argument when all sensible folk had laughed and walked away A ning to ya Sir! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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