semi auto or o/u 12 bore

[danebrewer10 6]

hi,

thanks for your opinions,theres a mixed bag of views on them,i`ll have to have a good think about it!!!

just a question,we are the semi`s not used on a driven shoot,i have heard of this before but never none why.

thanks tl

Like taking a machine gun on a deer stalk. If you can't hit a bird with two barrels then it lives to fight another day ..... and you need some lessons!

 

not at all that's just ridiculous, as another has said.... only load two cartidges.. how hard can it be? gas autos may also be the only way for some people if they have had bad shoulder problems in the past and need the semi to soak up the recoil.

 

 

I'm struggling with this!!

 

Just what is the issue here, a semi is a perfectly excellent all rounder (as is a O/U) I often use mine for clay/skeet/DTL etc, etc as well as field...you don't "have" to put 2 in the mag!!

 

To be honest the only issue I see anywhere is TRADITION/ETIQUETTE, and I am not having a go at tradition!

 

 

THANKYOU DEKER! at last someone after my own heart... Take a gander at last months Sporting Shooter- my letter was published therin, supporting the use of semis for all types of shooting and dispelling (in my mind) safety myths that surround them. they really are as safe as any other gun, i don't see the call for break action rifles to be used only, as that seems to be the only way to see a firearm is safe?

 

DB

[tillylamp 1,839]

hi danebrewer10,

my knowledge on semi`s is pretty thin on the ground,when you say about gas autos what does this mean?

also ive seen a webley/scott 810 that looks a good gun with a good name,has anybody come across one,and what they like?

can anybody recomend a good reliable semi auto?

are the cheap ones any good?i think i have decided to get one but know little about them,

thanks tl

[tallpauljcb1 5]

i have just been buying a semi auto i love it was out with it at weekend and a knocked a woody out the sky and it was about 75 yard to a 100 i was well shocked with the gun never new it could shoot that far lol but a was using a no4 35grams lol

[Night Hunter 109]

I have not long changed my old semi and my o/u for a beretta urika 2 which is now my only shotgun I use it for everything from clays to fox drives as far as safety is concerned it is like any shotgun Dont point it at anything you do not want to kill,unload before entering buildings or vehicles always prove clear when passing over obsticles etc the only difference is I use a high vis saf-t plug when gun is unloaded so people can see it is safe from as far as 100yds that is providing they can see that far...lol also I keep it unloaded with my barrel pointing up when moving around the clay circuit Just be safety concious ..... I have a sling fitted so This helps keep the barrels pointing upward when carrying the shotgun out in the field too.

 

Edited March 8, 2010 by Night Hunter

[clint 45]

Easy solution. If you wish to play game & take a chance with 2 shot, go for u/o. if you wish to massacre rabbit , pigeon or anything that eat crops , buy semi. I let 8 or 10 go, from firearm shotgun , with No 4 heavy load & watch the geese fall like atomic bomb ! Some time you have to move quick

[Night Hunter 109]

Easy solution. If you wish to play game & take a chance with 2 shot, go for u/o. if you wish to massacre rabbit , pigeon or anything that eat crops , buy semi. I let 8 or 10 go, from firearm shotgun , with No 4 heavy load & watch the geese fall like atomic bomb ! Some time you have to move quick

MMMM wish I'd gone for a 10 shot now...lol

[danebrewer10 6]

hi danebrewer10,

my knowledge on semi`s is pretty thin on the ground,when you say about gas autos what does this mean?

also ive seen a webley/scott 810 that looks a good gun with a good name,has anybody come across one,and what they like?

can anybody recomend a good reliable semi auto?

are the cheap ones any good?i think i have decided to get one but know little about them,

thanks tl

 

semi autos lower the felt recoil, the bleed some of the gas of from the shot which creates pressure to push the piston, which is connected to the bolt by a linkage. this pushes the bolt back, ejects the spent hull and loads a new cartridge, Inertia guns work differently, but spread the recoil over a longer period, giving the shot more of a push than a kick, as for cheap autos, hatsan seem to be ok I 've seen someone with one at a clay ground and it seems to cycle fine, webley and scott seem good as well,but don't expect miracles from them they're rough and ready like mossberg, no frills, but they do the job. i'd only go with a benelli though- they kick slightly harder but are easier to clean and maintain and as long as you keep above 28grams then they work with everything- check out the benelli website to see how their syestem works- pretty clever, other than that I'd also look at beretta urika if you want to go down the high end gas operated route, though a middle of the road gun might be the Winchester SX3 at under £900....

 

DB

Edited March 8, 2010 by danebrewer10

[tallpauljcb1 5]

my escorts cycles spot on like i even put some rc 50 grams no3 thought it and it cycled lovely not one jam yet touch wood

[jackinbox99 41]

I have a semi, a side by side, an o/u and a pump. I tend to use the semi for everything. I love it. I personally dont see why anyone would have a problem if i turned up at a shoot with a semi. If they dont trust me to be safe then they shouldnt be shooting with me in the first place and if someone has doubts about how safe I am then id rather just not shoot with them. The old "3 shots are unfair" thing is a load of rubbish. Just load 2 shots if thats a requirement. "Not sure if a semi is safe or loaded" thing is also rubbish. If the gun is pointing up in the air or down at the floor then it doesnt matter. A sbs or o/u is just as dangerous in the wrong hands.

 

At the end of the day, i think at some shoots it boils down to snobbery or tradition if they say you are not allowed a semi. Whats next? o/u not allowed as its a "side by side only" shoot?

[Cajunrules 8]

I bought a semi a year ago and I've never been able to get used to a gun that does'nt break open. True it is handy not getting tangled when you're behind a net but just can't get on with it; maybe just stuck in my ways, cheers.

[tillylamp 1,839]

hi,

thanks for your replys lads some good honest answers there,i think i have decided to get one but dont know which one yet!!

my 20bore is on the for sale section and when that sells i will get myself a semi.

thanks tl

[apds120 0]

Beretta & Bennelli s/a are the best ones, use my Urika for rough shooting, pigeons & clays. Prefer it to the o/u because of the reduced recoil. I don't agree with this anti s/a snobbery - British disease just like wearing plus fours.

[Rabb 0]

Hi All. First post so go easy.

 

I have been thinking of an auto myself.

 

Made a choice of a Browning Maxus, as I have a Browning o/u Cynergy already & like em.

 

Link to maxus

 

http://www.planet-maxus.eu/uk/maxus980.html

 

Any Opinions appreciated

 

Thanks Rab.

Edited March 18, 2010 by Rabb

[sage 0]

hi all,

do most people use a semi auto for pigeon shooting or could they be used as an all rounder?

where as the over/under seems to be most peoples choice as an all rounder!

would any one use a semi auto as an all rounder?

thanks tl.

I have to say I am not a great fan of autos or pump shot guns

great in a pigeon hide or back of a pick up truck lamping, great fun. So why do I have a slight downer on autos? They are often purchased by novice shots often for the reason of lack of recoil (good reason) but a gun that cant be broken in the hands of a novice can prove a little disconcerting and tends to raise a few eyebrows unless gun handling is impeccable. A traditional break action s/s or o/u at a glimpse any one can see is safe, but the auto is not so easy especially if you are on the left hand side of the shooter. All that said in competent hands great tool for certain jobs.

 

Rember a auto with a 28 " barrel because of the reciever length handles like a 32" gun and a 30" auto like a 34" gun. This is often why many people shot autos well as their overall length makes them very pointable and they swing well. For me as I am a very deliberate shot with quite a slow and predictable style, I favor longer barrels both my competition and game guns are 32" barrels. I am not saying I am right just that what suits my style.

Hope this has been of help all the best Sage.

PSMy advice would be by a good second hand o/u

[Rake aboot 4,936]

yup

 

just bought a semi auto , used it.loved it and sold my o/u Rizzini to fund my Daystate.

Very happy with the semi and will use it for everything. If an invite to a bird day gets retracted due to me using a s/a then they can shove it up their somewhere oh and it`s camo