breeding question

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

As you lot will know im a gobby b*****d but i feel passion regarding working dogs and they way they are bred.

 

A straight forward question...

 

If I used a good worker over another good worker and kept back a pup, if this pup didnt make the grade and had nothing to offer but working blood from its parents, grand parents etc...should this bitch/dog be kept and bred from?

 

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I say NO, the breeding plans should end there.

the dog/bitch should be pts and any thought of passing the dog/bitch on should be stopped.

 

Am I being to harsh and critical?

I think not?

But when it comes to a lot of breeds, breeding from non workers, even poor workers just to keep

a blood line or gene pool going is normal.

nothing is said.

 

Theres a topic on here at the moment, breeding dogs and bitches to widen the gene pool...

who cares if they work, if they do its a bonus ....

 

rant over

[lakeman 12]

Good question...... Like i said before, there is a terrierman for wales (some will know who i mean ) who has some of the best grafting dogs in the country.. He will tell you himself that if he gets 20-25% sucess rate with his litters then its good. However he demands ONLY the best from his dogs and digs 5 odd days a week... These dogs would suit most people but not his requirements.

 

Would these be worth breeding from?

[waidmann 105]

if the pup does not prove itself then it should not be bred from full stop.

 

depending on what age the pup is entered and what chances its given to show its worth(i find some are too quick to cull "weak" stock. i put this down to them not having any finacial investment in the pups)

if after trying the dog at say 12 months on fox he "jacks" or "refuses" then he should be built up( rats etc etc) and tried again at a suitable interval. if all fails then yes cull,or pass it on to a good dog man who knows the score with the dog and WILL NOT BREED FROM IT unless its proven it can do the job it was bred for.

just an oppinion.

[woodard 32]

Dont breed and pass shit on pts is the best way too much crap around

If your going to pass these dogs on then you should give the game up end of

Edited April 19, 2010 by woodard

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Im sure thats why soom breeds you never here of dogs not making the grade, because the shit is still being bred from.

I have had the worse look ever regarding breeding, i used my best ever bitch to a very good stud dog and still the pup i kept was crap.hyper, sulky,scared of the dark.nothing at all worth breeding from but i could have and nothing would have stopped me from getting silly money for pups.

if i can see its wrong then why cant full time breeders?

money, fame?

[waidmann 105]

the problem being that they may see it and just don't care,its the same money for a duffer as a good dog.

the responsible breeders will have lads coming back for a pup/stud all the time. puppy multipliers will only sell one dog to anyone with half a brain.

as with anything else its down to trust.

waidmann

[trisha 1]

do you all think that unproven dogs should not be bred from when it comes to other jobs like running dogs,rabbiting terriers,ratting terriers and so on or just for digging dogs as ive seen fantastic litters come of unproven bitches in the rabbiting world but there lineage goes well back for me i beleive its in the genes 90% of the time but defo depends on the job.

[gazzer 1]

BBB, i think you just got a chip on yer shoulder mucker...........you are constantly spouting negatives about shit this and shit that, have you ever thought that not every one in the hunting world be as commited and serious as yourself...i aint knocking your ablities,i couldnt give a toss to be fair how good you are or aint, but what about the tens of thousands of folk who just like to get out of a saturday/sunday with thier half decent dogs and suck up the fresh air and stand a chance of some rabbit,ratting or digging..........not everyone has the knowledge you do about dogs, many people get sold dogs that come from a load of crap and they turn out to be corkers, many folk also buy expensive so called proven dogs only for them to turn out crap.....where do u draw the line?, most of us aint got 5 spare days a week to go digging,great for those who do........so is there any harm in someone buying a dog for 200 quid and having a dabble on weekends, or should all of us only ever buy dogs that are from recommended breeders who have centuries of blood line paperwork (and still risk the chance of a bum dog),

personally,i think if you have good working dogs, and u breed from them,chances are the instinct will sooner or later kick in, if it dont u got a pet...whats the big deal...there are of course idiots out there who breed thier dogs like fook just fer a few quid.............but i dont see how this affects you BBB...........you must have your own permission to hunt on?you must have your own "proven" dogs to hunt with, you must have a "proper" spade to dig with?...........let others do what they want, it aint causing you any grief is it?..........and for the record....my dog aint proven, hes an average ratter thats all, but if someone wants his strong plummer semen rammed up thier bitches minge then drop me a line, im sure they'll turn out ok ; )

[FightTheBan 1,147]

"have you ever thought that not every one in the hunting world be as commited and serious as yourself"

 

Gazzer thats all well and good, but the issue here is not how involved or committed people are in the sport, its the breeding.

There is no one saying only people commited to the sport should be aloud to participate, but i fully support BBB in that, if you do not need to breed, why would you?

£ is the answer, there are pleanty of people who are happy to work there dogs once in a blue moon, or only at weekends, and they are to be respected.

The problem is the people who do this, but then initiate a breeding programme.

If you dont intend to start a line of good working terriers, then buy from someone who does and be content with what you have and what you want out of working dogs.

FTB

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

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waste of time

Edited March 6, 2010 by Big bald beautiful

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

..... Edited March 6, 2010 by Big bald beautiful

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

Ive gone blue in the face, rant and raved but

 

FIGHT THE BAN ...HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

[lurchers 2,768]

everybody on here says only put worker to worker,why ive seen good dogs breed crap and crap dogs breed go so why dont people breed what they think as you get good and bad either way.my borders were bred out of kc stuff and all grafted well,to me its the time and effort you put into ya dogs and not leaving them in kennels to long before start bringing them on.mine get rats at 5mths old and took out to watch on loads of diggs till they are 11mths then they are just as keen to have a hole end with an experienced dog then when they are 12mths they fly in on there own.so worker to worker means nothing it what you put into ya dogs that comes out of them.atb

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

very true but would you breed from one of your bitchs if she didnt make the grade?

knowing you could still sell the pups.

 

Dont think you would but i know plenty that would

ok, its there dogs and there time but there fooling no one but themselfs.

 

sorry...."cool wet grass, cool wet grass"...ranting again...

must tell my shrink

[fish 148]

everybody on here says only put worker to worker,why ive seen good dogs breed crap and crap dogs breed go so why dont people breed what they think as you get good and bad either way.my borders were bred out of kc stuff and all grafted well,to me its the time and effort you put into ya dogs and not leaving them in kennels to long before start bringing them on.mine get rats at 5mths old and took out to watch on loads of diggs till they are 11mths then they are just as keen to have a hole end with an experienced dog then when they are 12mths they fly in on there own.so worker to worker means nothing it what you put into ya dogs that comes out of them.atb

what you into your dogs