TODAYS TERRIERS

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

..."I know the real terriers are safe in the right hands and always will be."....

 

Hope your correct

how many once good terrier breeders started off that way, giving dogs to friends etc, and then got lured in by the odd quick buck .

All the big names in the show scene started out with good grafting dogs did they not?

There may be some truth in what you say mate.

 

But i can only comment on myself and the lads I know, and there are still plenty of genuine lads keeping terriers for 1 reason only and that is to work them. This wont change. Therefore it doesnt matter what anyone else does with their dogs, sell em for big bucks, breed off non workers, hunt them rosettes, i cant do anything about it, so im not going to worry about it, it doesnt effect me or my terriers.

[steveS.Yorks 161]

slightly off topic i know...

 

but I have a whippet bitch that is hard work and is no world beater but the number of people that have told me to "bang a litter out of it, £400 a pup"....

 

i wouldnt but i know a lot would

 

its not that i couldnt do with the money either, but i want to breed from something im happy with work wise.

the same should be applyed to terriers

 

Ive just had this same problem with a whippet,gave her nearly 3 yrs and failed,re homed her and no future pups will be sold to working homes,if shes bred at all that is.

[skinner 348]

to much shit about and at silly money

[steveS.Yorks 161]

"no reverse gear" and "lost on a dig" belong in the same sentance mate.

 

Said this before and its true,the easiest thing to breed are "hard dogs" with no brains,Nuttalls being doing it and making good money from fools for years,if all people want is dogs that enter and plough into quarry you shouldnt be in the game imo.

I know lads like this and they ussually have different terriers every few months,ussually because theyve lost it to ground/its died from being damaged or jacked.

 

Thats not a dig at this post,you dont say how the dog was lost,but "no reverse" should read "no good"

been in the game 29 year , no reverse to me means a dog that wont stash , i lost the bitch when she pushed up tight , broke through and she was trapped tight , she stayed till dug , most grafting terriers will get some damage , i prefer a dog to be where i get a mark , not up and down the tube , just my preference , no reverse doesnt have to mean no brains.

 

 

Like i said mate im not having a dig at your post in particular,to me "no reverse" means they just run in and try and latch on regardless of hammer they take,ive had/seen a few myself,even the clever dogs ive seen would pick some damage up because of sheer numbers worked,my old dog would spar and tempt the fox to strike,sometimes he would get away with hardly any marks,sometimes he got a good bite.

But the difference is he never got smashed to bits and still did his job very well,and not much pushed him about beleive me.

[the_stig 6,614]

hard stupid no brainers we`ve got one steves.. he`s a handy tool to have for us .. not everyones type of terrier but he earns his keep for us

 

Like you say mate do have their uses sometimes,but personally i wouldnt want the type although i admire gameness.

 

My old dog was very game but used his head with it and killed a good number to ground without getting badly mauled,he developed a knack,yet even when we bred him to a very well tested sensible mates bitch they produced hard dogs,i also bred him to my overly game bitch [expecting the worst really] and the dog pup i kept was turning into a good sensible worker before his untimely death? go figure.

we use him where we can get at him quick .. he does the job never tempted to use him on long deep digs we`ve got the dogs for that job he`s been a handy dog worked right he`ll account for some over the season - and he`s put a bit of gameness into his offspring without them being no brainers ..

[manspade 3]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

[the_stig 6,614]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

your last 4 words say it all ..

[manspade 3]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

your last 4 words say it all ..

thanks stig

[manspade 3]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

your last 4 words say it all ..

thanks stig

infact stig im on here as a rookie or some thing like that. And probably do more than most week in week out. just not very good at putting thoughts into words. wish i could?

[mudd dog 128]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

good speak

[scent 509]

what you need is the likes of is p***y,mushray,sionnach,jigsaw , liamdellaney to comment on this

[the_stig 6,614]

what you need is the likes of is p***y,mushray,sionnach,jigsaw , liamdellaney to comment on this

[stormyboy 1,352]

very intersesting. sounds like we are back to horses for courses. I no that the terrier world is not that big, and you can find out most of the things you need to no about a breeder in our relatively small circles. Before buying a terrier do some asking about, most of us in the terrier game have heard of most, and can direct people in the right direction.And if your real lucky you may find some one who still breeds purley for work and doesnt give two flying f**ks for them F***ing rossets. Also Mr reverse ive never met one hounest terrier man who can hounestly say, that when they have enterd one of their terrier's to ground, they only ever have to dig one hole to their dog, and its up to its quarry every time. You also have to take into consideration time of year. This time of year can throw some of the most experienced dogs, youngsters about changes lots of things smell noise, and those dog men with enough experience will no exactly what im on about. Its never realy about the dogs its about the owners.

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Exactly the point of the thread. If a dog doesn't come up to scratch its all too easy to slate the dog/line/breeder as shite,but maybe we should take a look at any other possible reasons why first.

 

The number of failed dogs a "terrierman" has rejected says more about the man (or woman!) than the dogs.

Ditto lurchers.

 

Some will own top class dogs consistently,some will constantly try to find them-and slate those that do.

[slips 114]

years ago when locaters were not around, dogs were doubled up more often than not.most dogs are worked single handed now and with the locater a dog can be entered in big earths that in the old days were undiggable for the simple reason that it was too hard to find the terrier in these vast earths. i think modern terriers are easily as good as the "terriers of the old days" if not better. but thats just my opinion as im too young to make a direct comparson.

 

WELL FELLA ,

 

DECENT TERRIER MEN NEVER DOUBLED UP............ THEN OR NOW ........................

 

AND ..... IVE SEEN SUCH MEN TACKLE EARTHES WHICH MANY LADS TODAY WOULD DEEM UNDIGGABLE WITH A LOCATOR !!

 

WHAT ELSE ? .......... WELL........ THERES AS MANY GOOD TERRIERMEN NOW AS THEY WERE THEN ..... AND AS MANY IDIOTS !

 

THE LOCATOR IS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD ...........

ITS ALLOWED DOGS WHICH ARE MUTE AND TOO HARD FOR THEIR OWN GOOD TO CARRY ON WORKING AND BEING BRED FROM ............

I KNOW MANY WHO DIG TO SUCH DOGS IN SMALLER , SHALLOW EARTHES , THEY NOTCH UP THE TALLYS AND THE MARKS .... AND ........ SOON EVERYONES USING THE DOG AT STUD ............

YET ........... DROP THE SAME DOG IN A....... DEEP............ SPRAWLLING ........ EARTH ....... WITH A QUARRY THATS BEEN DUG BEFORE AND SEE HOW HE GETS ON

IVE SEEN QUITE A FEW THIRD AND FOURTH SEASON DOGS OF THIS SORT FAIL ...... MAYBE IF THEY HADNT BEEN ENTERED IN SUCH A FASHION TO BELIVE HELP WAS COMING INSTANTLY ..... THEY MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER DOGS ...

SOMETHING TO PONDER ? ....................

 

ALL THE BEST

 

 

DUCKWING

[slips 114]

bang on duckwing if people buryed s..t rather then thinking earnin money out of em fact theres plently of terrier breeds that are happy being showed off walkin on there toe nails to please its owner. but the true little workers get placed wisely and only cost a cup of tea and a chat but more inportenly trust