English Bull's

[bullmatt 5]

Some nice styles of EBT on this thread my brother breed them 30yrs ago and I used to slip out with one every now and then He had a great nose and would push cover as good as the best hounds all be it with out toungue never forget when he caught a sleeping fox and carried it out to us stuffed but still biting him on the lip. This breed has been the back bone of the aussie pighunting scene for 40yrs as a purbreed they have there limitations but in the right cross they bring a lot to the table ie heart courage nose and a fantastic holding bite not the chewing seen with some pigdogs just lug up layback on their haunches and hangon.

 

well said fella

[nobo 1]

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

 

 

Hogdog i think that it is bull shit that hinks rolled his show dogs, why would he get them marked up he had to show them, but i would say that he rolled the dogs that he breed his show dogs out of, his old type of bull dogs and pit bulls game terriers he had a yard full of all sorts fur and feather, he was in to making money out of his dogs mate, with his bull terriers he wonted some think for the young well to do gent about town not the pit man they was not bothered about his new type of soft show dogs and they was soft compered to the hardworking pit dogs, thats why he put Dalmatian's blood in them to soften them up for the rich chav of the day, he was not a hunter he was a show man it was different breeders that had to put them back to the working types to work them not him he all ready had his buyers for big money in the UK and USA for show dogs not hunting or pit dogs as shows was were the money was, so hinks was trying to achieve sod all apart from making money and that he did.

 

 

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, I never said that Hinks fought his Dogs.

 

If you think they're that soft why is their blood used in some of the toughest hunting dogs in the world? (Dogos, Bull Arabs, Pit Bulls etc not discounting the Gull Terr). Far more than just a show Dog.

there blood with other breeds, they have been used as a out cross a dash of this and dash of that, just like the working type have and just like your dogs line has, a bit of the working type put back in to it and yes i would say that most of the show types are soft you might get the odd one our two that might wont to know or show a bit of willing,but the modern show dogs are f****d get your self to one of the big KC shows and have a look, t lyons crossed the working type back in to them not for coloreds but for fire as he all so said that they was to soft he was a hunter back from India working with the old EBT working types that were still being out crossed, he breed this way for years to put the old types gameness back in to the working EBT types in the UK. back in them days you had a lot of types workers and showers in all wights but i bet that the workers were having a out crosses to the pit bull types, i would say that it was dogs from these type of lines that have gone in the breeds that you have just said, in fact they was advertised from well know kennels for show bred it would of been more money or for a working bred one a hell of a lot cheaper

[pongopalmer 19]

hey pongopalmer

 

iv always liked EBTs from a young age so when i got me own place i got 1 only as a pet.his worst problem is recall

 

hey hogdog

 

nice EBT mate did he take a lot to train as mine is very strong headed does what he wants

 

drive........... he will chase anything horses cows runners and cyclist his favorite

temperament..... he is very excitable when people come to the house few mins and he calms down he just wants to lick and chew fingers not hard tho

health.......... had to have balls removed as 1 never droped

breeding........ no got no balls

 

 

 

 

 

atb samuri

Haha people? Im sure its just me he pounces on and headbutts!

 

Kyle

 

truthfully mine jumped up an knocked me mates front tooth out : ...... but he has calmed down a lot now with a firm hand alot ov shouting an reminding but he is a pleasure to own an the best dog av ever had with the BIGGIST personality

Edited August 21, 2010 by pongopalmer

[whatdog72 287]

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

 

Hogdog thats a pretty bold statement about not considering a badger to be a match for a bullterrier considering you are a rabbit man and have never seen a badger trial. What made all these trial lads use the badger in the first place if it was no test

 

I've not seen a Badger trial in the flesh but I've seen videos and I've talked to people that have been involved in it and even Ray Delaney says that he doesn't consider them a match for a good Bull and Terrier. If you're talking about matching a 50-60lb Bull Terrier to a Badger then the odds are stacked in favour of the dog and I've heard of matches like this lasting less than a minute...not really 'a match' IMO. If you're talking about a 30lb dog then it's obviously very different. The main issue is size difference.

The trials were not a match against a badger to the death they were to see how the dog worked its quarry , to test how game he was when put in a awkward situation. And as regards Ray Delaney is that the same Ray you and your friends slagged off on the SACS forum untill he put you straight about Staffords (By the way can you lend me the copy of the video you watched on the trials as I would like to see that)

[hogdog 61]

I never slagged him off, I slagged his Dogs off He's actually a very nice bloke and I have had good conversations with him and I think we established a mutual respect for each other's views. He also gave me his contact details if I ever want to contact him because he doesn't get involved with all this forum shit and I can understand why.

 

Delaney's Dogs were bred to be very bully and powerful with massive heads and as such they were everything I hate about exaggeration in modern dogs. That's not to say that they didn't excel at what they did, endurance was not a quality required for baiting.

 

I know what a Badger trial is and it's exactly that, a trial, a test, it is not a match.

Edited August 21, 2010 by hogdog

[jigsaw 11,863]

Have you done much work with an ingles Bull?

 

the question i was asking earlier was ''HAS ANYONE DONE EARTH WORK WITH AN I/B?''

the ingles bull doesnt have to fight to the death or anything near that,all it has to do is be a draw dog for as long as its required.That would satisfy most terrier men that are also fans of the bull breeds that were used in the country years ago.Dont try to make comparisons between the pit and Ingles,they have nothing but size in common.Until an I/B has been worked as a heavy grafter in the country there will always be a question mark on his willingness to show true spirit,but since its now an illegalpractice i suppose we'll never know

[DeanD 3]

Holy Smokes! When I saw the title I thought it was someone asking about hunting with an EBD and thought wtf?!

[sounder79 80]

I never slagged him off, I slagged his Dogs off He's actually a very nice bloke and I have had good conversations with him and I think we established a mutual respect for each other's views. He also gave me his contact details if I ever want to contact him because he doesn't get involved with all this forum shit and I can understand why.

 

Delaney's Dogs were bred to be very bully and powerful with massive heads and as such they were everything I hate about exaggeration in modern dogs. That's not to say that they didn't excel at what they did, endurance was not a quality required for baiting.

 

I know what a Badger trial is and it's exactly that, a trial, a test, it is not a match.

To be honest hog dog ,i think your talking out your hole, endurance was not a quality required for baiting? thats why all the trial lads walked their dogs every night and had them hard as rocks is it? or was it just to make them look well? LOOKS NEVER MADE A DOG.

[Guest mrpit]

sounder got to agree with your post

[samuri 4]

hey pongopalmer

 

iv always liked EBTs from a young age so when i got me own place i got 1 only as a pet.his worst problem is recall

 

hey hogdog

 

nice EBT mate did he take a lot to train as mine is very strong headed does what he wants

 

drive........... he will chase anything horses cows runners and cyclist his favorite

temperament..... he is very excitable when people come to the house few mins and he calms down he just wants to lick and chew fingers not hard tho

health.......... had to have balls removed as 1 never droped

breeding........ no got no balls

 

 

 

 

 

atb samuri

Haha people? Im sure its just me he pounces on and headbutts!

 

Kyle

 

truthfully mine jumped up an knocked me mates front tooth out : ...... but he has calmed down a lot now with a firm hand alot ov shouting an reminding but he is a pleasure to own an the best dog av ever had with the BIGGIST personality

 

i trained him to do that when you arive

[nobo 1]

Lads i like these dogs from this line, i am around 3 on a regular basis 1 of them is in a working home and she is making a good little dog and i have been training one for man and guard work,, i like him and he is coming good the 3rd is just a pet that has been obedience trained, all of them are healthy drive willing to please good looking little dogs, if you are looking for a old style EBT type for a pet or for your needs then i would have a better look in to this line of dogs, it would be up to the new owners to bring it on, but they ant going to prove them self's by jumping over a pieces of wood or by chasing a rabbit, in the right hands they could make a good dog. with out all of the bull shit

[Guest Anubis]

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Edited August 22, 2010 by Anubis

[dark snipe 0]

"endurance was not a quility needed for baiting". good quote you must be very experianced

[samuri 4]

a couple pics

 

[Guest Anubis]

a couple pics

 

 

 

Nice looking lad mate...