English Bull's

[Gitano 17]

Some great looking Bullterriers on this thread, from both KC and Ingles line. To answer the OP, I only know of a handful of working BTs-a couple of catch-dogs in US and a few doing protection work.

 

I personally wouldn't pay such big money for a dog only to risk it on boar, for example (I'm in a boar hunting area and it's legal to hunt here), when any number of crosses, that are available for very little, can get the job done. Incidentally, I am not saying that some BTs don't make fine workers, all I'm saying is the price is prohibitive for somebody in my position. However, if a drivey BT needed rehoming I'd happily pay the shipping to test it as a working catch-dog ...

 

Again, it's good to see a few sportier models of the BT out there

[jigsaw 11,863]

right its a very fine looking dog/strain,it can attack a football but HAS ANYONE EVER WORKED IT ON WHAT IT WAS MEANT FOR,and if so how did it react.Thats all id like to know.

 

So you want people to come on a forum and tell you all about the illegal stuff they've been up to? Good luck.

 

 

If you look back on my post previous I said pre ban,and from that answer I take it theyve done feck all a heavy built dog of any other breed wouldnt do,so I wont take part in this conversation again.They surely as a breed have been about a good few years when it was LEGAL to work terriers and even then it seems they werent tested.Enjoy the dog,but for me he aint the real deal bull terrier of old.

Edited August 23, 2010 by jigsaw

[spindolero 1,111]

in the late 's I had 4 at the one time....ALL bar one were put to sleep,the other one(dont get yer hopes up)was sold to a bloke that wanted it,they were all tried and ALL failed miserably.Now I did have a half bred E/BX Staff/Pit and she was something else to work.Hogdog that looks a right agile animal,but to see it do the big task it was bred for would only instill confidence in me on their return as agenuine worker.I also did have half bull/russells for years and most were worth feeding.I did see some good E/B's years ago and they were as good as any,real pity they dissapeared

 

Jigsaw - i remember that thread, you put some pics of your old bull/russells, they looked like they had put some graft in for you.

[liamdelaney 2,586]

I'm enjoying the discussion too, it makes a nice change to the bickering that normally goes on here.

 

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

I didn't actually buy him as a hunting Dog, I bought him solely to compete in athletic competitions and all being well he'll be competing at a bikejoring (aka 'Husky race') in the autumn. The fact that he's shown massive hunting instinct/ability has lead me down the path of doing a bit of lamping with him.

 

There was a large amount of variation in sizes of the Bull Terrier and there was even a toy Bull Terrier at one point which was tiny so I think there may have been BT's that excelled in the Rat pit and I'm sure the larger ones would have been more suitable for larger quarry.

 

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

I should point out that it's not "my line" of Bull terriers and I've never bred my Dog but his breeder was not trying to make a faithful reproduction of Hinks' Bull Terrier, just trying to make a more functional Bull Terrier in that style.

Hogdog are you getting all this information out of books or what.Being one of the people who badgered bulls when it was legal(I know i have no morals)take my word for it a badger was a good match for any dog.People will tell you they saw a dog that could kill a badger well i never did.And i worked some of the gamest dogs that was on this Island back then.A freshly dug badger in my opinion was the best pound for pound fighter that their was.And yes our dogs had to be extremely fit for the work they were at.And bye the way i saw very very few good English bulls most of them were dirt good for barking nothing else.

[hogdog 61]

Hogdog are you getting all this information out of books or what.Being one of the people who badgered bulls when it was legal(I know i have no morals)take my word for it a badger was a good match for any dog.People will tell you they saw a dog that could kill a badger well i never did.And i worked some of the gamest dogs that was on this Island back then.A freshly dug badger in my opinion was the best pound for pound fighter that their was.And yes our dogs had to be extremely fit for the work they were at.And bye the way i saw very very few good English bulls most of them were dirt good for barking nothing else.

 

Pound for pound yes but I wouldn't consider a sub 30lb Badger 'a match' for a 60lb Bull terrier, a good test of gameness yes, not a match.

[Waz 4,252]

Hogdog are you getting all this information out of books or what.Being one of the people who badgered bulls when it was legal(I know i have no morals)take my word for it a badger was a good match for any dog.People will tell you they saw a dog that could kill a badger well i never did.And i worked some of the gamest dogs that was on this Island back then.A freshly dug badger in my opinion was the best pound for pound fighter that their was.And yes our dogs had to be extremely fit for the work they were at.And bye the way i saw very very few good English bulls most of them were dirt good for barking nothing else.

 

Pound for pound yes but I wouldn't consider a sub 30lb Badger 'a match' for a 60lb Bull terrier, a good test of gameness yes, not a match.

 

What are your opinions based on? Im thinking its not fact.

[hogdog 61]

No I bait Badgers all the time. Come and see me do some this weekend why don't you? You can invite your Police and antis friends to come along with you, it will be a right laugh!

[Malt 379]

Hogdog are you getting all this information out of books or what.Being one of the people who badgered bulls when it was legal(I know i have no morals)take my word for it a badger was a good match for any dog.People will tell you they saw a dog that could kill a badger well i never did.And i worked some of the gamest dogs that was on this Island back then.A freshly dug badger in my opinion was the best pound for pound fighter that their was.And yes our dogs had to be extremely fit for the work they were at.And bye the way i saw very very few good English bulls most of them were dirt good for barking nothing else.

 

Pound for pound yes but I wouldn't consider a sub 30lb Badger 'a match' for a 60lb Bull terrier, a good test of gameness yes, not a match.

 

What are your opinions based on? Im thinking its not fact.

Same here, and I've never read a single book about matching or even been interested in hunted badger with dog, pre ban or otherwise....

 

I have however been following this thread out of interest, and TBH I can pick out the guys who know what they're talking about..

 

The rest of it, (re inventing the history of the breed, etc) just sounds to me like the kind of regurgitated bollocks started by people who seek to make money from the looks of a dog. Just like Basset hound breeders inventing stories about why the dog has so much loose skin, Bulldog breeders on about the overly wrinkled faces containing 'blood channels' etc..

 

Just enjoy your dogs for what they are, FFS...

 

 

[Terrier man 38]

Cant see how anyone is continuing this thread with hogdog its a clear as day he does not have a clue. FACT !