English Bull's

[slingshot82 32]

hey pongopalmer

 

iv always liked EBTs from a young age so when i got me own place i got 1 only as a pet.his worst problem is recall

 

hey hogdog

 

nice EBT mate did he take a lot to train as mine is very strong headed does what he wants

 

drive........... he will chase anything horses cows runners and cyclist his favorite

temperament..... he is very excitable when people come to the house few mins and he calms down he just wants to lick and chew fingers not hard tho

health.......... had to have balls removed as 1 never droped

breeding........ no got no balls

 

atb samuri

Haha people? Im sure its just me he pounces on and headbutts!

 

Kyle

[hogdog 61]

I'm enjoying the discussion too, it makes a nice change to the bickering that normally goes on here.

 

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

I didn't actually buy him as a hunting Dog, I bought him solely to compete in athletic competitions and all being well he'll be competing at a bikejoring (aka 'Husky race') in the autumn. The fact that he's shown massive hunting instinct/ability has lead me down the path of doing a bit of lamping with him.

 

There was a large amount of variation in sizes of the Bull Terrier and there was even a toy Bull Terrier at one point which was tiny so I think there may have been BT's that excelled in the Rat pit and I'm sure the larger ones would have been more suitable for larger quarry.

 

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

I should point out that it's not "my line" of Bull terriers and I've never bred my Dog but his breeder was not trying to make a faithful reproduction of Hinks' Bull Terrier, just trying to make a more functional Bull Terrier in that style.

[pongopalmer 19]

Could you tell us a bit more about your Dog please Pongopalmer?

 

He's a great looking Dog, with an unexaggerated head and body type. What's his drive, temperament, health etc like? Any breeding plans for the future? What's his breeding?

 

Same to Samuri, nice looking Dog in your avatar.

 

haha well his drive is second to none an his temperament is great with kids , cats an other dogs. coz he was solicilized alot as a puppy ... he has no problems with his health as for breeding he is only a young dog but i would give him another year or so yet , if i found the right bitch... he is kc registered can be bit head strong but is pleasure to own .........

[Pops 19]

it funny how you talk about hunting the EBT in packs & such. as far as i am aware of the Ozzie hogdoggers are the only people that have hunted EBTs extensively in the last half century. talking with them they say the EBT is just as dog aggressive as an APBT and the main reason they switched was the increased endurance of the APBT. they told me that other than better endurance & heat tolerance there wasn't a hair's difference in their hunting ability & dog aggression. but that is just what the Ozzies told me.

personally i think the hunting stuff is the same kind of nonsense being thrown about now of APBTs being farm dogs until mike vick & his buddies started fighting them. they were bred for fighting each other & baiting animals w/ a hard hard bite. it just so happens that the intelligence needed to prove gameness makes them able to learn other things very well. one of the top SAR teams in the ruins of 9-11 was an APBT & handler from louisiana, apbts are the most common catchdog for hog hunting in the USA, know a few fellas use them for bloodtrailing shot deer, some have placed well in sheep herding trials, and a couple have made fair birdogs, there are multiple books that claim the APBT was invented asa general purpose farm dog, none of it changes what the breed was made for. the history of the APBT is the history of ALL bull & terriers. it was created by blending all the bull & terrier lines/breeds from britain & ireland w/ the box being the breed worthiness test. if you look back dogs other than bull & terrier were matched and some did well enough that their blood was added to many pit dogs like a retriever w/ 84 wins to his credit in the late 19th century. history is what it is rewriting it to appease peoples sensibilities only makes us all look like idiots.

[sounder79 80]

bull terriers that worked badgers in the past would never be allowed to hunt with terriers in the cover for the simple reason that they would cling on the terrier if they got excited,if your looking for a hunting dog, a real hunting dog,you need to look for something different,imo ,a spaniel cross.

[whatdog72 287]

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

 

Hogdog thats a pretty bold statement about not considering a badger to be a match for a bullterrier considering you are a rabbit man and have never seen a badger trial. What made all these trial lads use the badger in the first place if it was no test

Edited August 21, 2010 by whatdog72

[nobo 1]

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

 

 

Hogdog i think that it is bull shit that hinks rolled his show dogs, why would he get them marked up he had to show them, but i would say that he rolled the dogs that he breed his show dogs out of, his old type of bull dogs and pit bulls game terriers he had a yard full of all sorts fur and feather, he was in to making money out of his dogs mate, with his bull terriers he wonted some think for the young well to do gent about town not the pit man they was not bothered about his new type of soft show dogs and they was soft compered to the hardworking pit dogs, thats why he put Dalmatian's blood in them to soften them up for the rich chav of the day, he was not a hunter he was a show man it was different breeders that had to put them back to the working types to work them not him he all ready had his buyers for big money in the UK and USA for show dogs not hunting or pit dogs as shows was were the money was, so hinks was trying to achieve sod all apart from making money and that he did.

[marky r 25]

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

bullshit mate it might be wrong in this day and age in britain but if you have a love for bull breeds then you must have some respect for what the were originally used and bred and if it wasnt for the men of old game testing them then we wouldnt have game little terriers around today if im right. and i dont agree with the quotes about the greyhound aswell most wont do fox once they have a few nips a friend did have a big black greyhound bitch that took everything unfortunatly never came in season to line it to his wheaton. buy the way nice dog iv fancied one of them ingles bull terriers bit pricey though.

[stevemac 433]

Some nice styles of EBT on this thread my brother breed them 30yrs ago and I used to slip out with one every now and then He had a great nose and would push cover as good as the best hounds all be it with out toungue never forget when he caught a sleeping fox and carried it out to us stuffed but still biting him on the lip. This breed has been the back bone of the aussie pighunting scene for 40yrs as a purbreed they have there limitations but in the right cross they bring a lot to the table ie heart courage nose and a fantastic holding bite not the chewing seen with some pigdogs just lug up layback on their haunches and hangon.

[hogdog 61]

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

 

Hogdog thats a pretty bold statement about not considering a badger to be a match for a bullterrier considering you are a rabbit man and have never seen a badger trial. What made all these trial lads use the badger in the first place if it was no test

 

I've not seen a Badger trial in the flesh but I've seen videos and I've talked to people that have been involved in it and even Ray Delaney says that he doesn't consider them a match for a good Bull and Terrier. If you're talking about matching a 50-60lb Bull Terrier to a Badger then the odds are stacked in favour of the dog and I've heard of matches like this lasting less than a minute...not really 'a match' IMO. If you're talking about a 30lb dog then it's obviously very different. The main issue is size difference.

[hogdog 61]

Alot depends on what you mean by 'game'. When people refer to gameness in fighting Dogs they are reffering to something quite extreme, gameness in that sense cannot and should not be tested for if you have any morals. If you're not fighting your Dog then there's no need for it. I don't consider a Badger to be a match for a Bull Terrier, even alot of Greyhounds would smash a Badger and they've never been tested for gameness in that sense.

 

bullshit mate it might be wrong in this day and age in britain but if you have a love for bull breeds then you must have some respect for what the were originally used and bred and if it wasnt for the men of old game testing them then we wouldnt have game little terriers around today if im right. and i dont agree with the quotes about the greyhound aswell most wont do fox once they have a few nips a friend did have a big black greyhound bitch that took everything unfortunatly never came in season to line it to his wheaton. buy the way nice dog iv fancied one of them ingles bull terriers bit pricey though.

 

I don't disgaree with what you're saying, I have enormous respect for the Dogs that fought in the Pit but there are alot of other Dogs that didn't that still do the job very well, it's justr not a requirement for a non fighting Dog. I also said that alot of Greyhounds could do Badgers to make the point that it's not just 'game Dogs' that are game.

[Stabs 3]

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

 

 

Hogdog i think that it is bull shit that hinks rolled his show dogs, why would he get them marked up he had to show them, but i would say that he rolled the dogs that he breed his show dogs out of, his old type of bull dogs and pit bulls game terriers he had a yard full of all sorts fur and feather, he was in to making money out of his dogs mate, with his bull terriers he wonted some think for the young well to do gent about town not the pit man they was not bothered about his new type of soft show dogs and they was soft compered to the hardworking pit dogs, thats why he put Dalmatian's blood in them to soften them up for the rich chav of the day, he was not a hunter he was a show man it was different breeders that had to put them back to the working types to work them not him he all ready had his buyers for big money in the UK and USA for show dogs not hunting or pit dogs as shows was were the money was, so hinks was trying to achieve sod all apart from making money and that he did.

 

 

There's only one test for a bull terrier but that doesn't mean they can't be useful at other things.

[hogdog 61]

The Bull Terrier does have a history of fighting but I personally don't class it as a fighting Dog, the fact that it was used and proved itself adequately in the pit proves that it was a versatile breed and that's what I think Hinks was trying to achieve. For the same reason I don't think that it was meant to be an "out and out hunting Dog" either.

 

 

 

Hogdog i think that it is bull shit that hinks rolled his show dogs, why would he get them marked up he had to show them, but i would say that he rolled the dogs that he breed his show dogs out of, his old type of bull dogs and pit bulls game terriers he had a yard full of all sorts fur and feather, he was in to making money out of his dogs mate, with his bull terriers he wonted some think for the young well to do gent about town not the pit man they was not bothered about his new type of soft show dogs and they was soft compered to the hardworking pit dogs, thats why he put Dalmatian's blood in them to soften them up for the rich chav of the day, he was not a hunter he was a show man it was different breeders that had to put them back to the working types to work them not him he all ready had his buyers for big money in the UK and USA for show dogs not hunting or pit dogs as shows was were the money was, so hinks was trying to achieve sod all apart from making money and that he did.

 

 

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, I never said that Hinks fought his Dogs.

 

If you think they're that soft why is their blood used in some of the toughest hunting dogs in the world? (Dogos, Bull Arabs, Pit Bulls etc not discounting the Gull Terr). Far more than just a show Dog.

[hogdog 61]

bull terriers that worked badgers in the past would never be allowed to hunt with terriers in the cover for the simple reason that they would cling on the terrier if they got excited,if your looking for a hunting dog, a real hunting dog,you need to look for something different,imo ,a spaniel cross.

 

 

Have you done much work with an ingles Bull?

[sounder79 80]

bull terriers that worked badgers in the past would never be allowed to hunt with terriers in the cover for the simple reason that they would cling on the terrier if they got excited,if your looking for a hunting dog, a real hunting dog,you need to look for something different,imo ,a spaniel cross.

 

 

Have you done much work with an ingles Bull?

no but i bet they wouldnt be a patch on a good terrier/spaniel.