plummer cross

[AMADORE 5]

I had a dog bred from mathew's san called "Q" out of plummers bealtane 2 (deimos x virago) BOTH NONE WORKERS and that was tiny 10INCH bitch had a small face and weak muzzle (due to virago) worked fox like the best terriers and killed rats as good as anything.

 

Any plummer enterd well should kill rats easily thats down to the way its been eneterd. Nothing to do with jaw power. As for working something bigger Plummeres are not ment to be "drawing terriers" they are for bolting foxes and this litte bitch I had did that well.

 

Skull size and bottom mandible are inherited differntly, thats why we get under and overshot dogs.If you want strong jaws dont use a line known to produce weak ones. Simply use something stronger ...

 

 

Tylos 24lb and to standard height

 

 

HIS SON Tuco 25lbs and to standard height.

 

 

 

 

P.s. the last bull terrier was used to strenghten back ends ..not jaws.acording to plummer in my argument with him .

[danny dolman 4]

ive a jack russell terrier biggest JRT ive ever seen very strong dog!!u can see him onmy profile (poor pics though)

[Cleanspade 3,322]

muzzle size in my opinion is only really relevent if you are breeding dogs that will need to take punishment. a stronger muzzle will be able to takee more . and a good stronge bite is of utmost importance in a terrier. however there is no need for big bully heads on any terrier. and the strongest bite doesnt always come frome the biggest jaw

 

stormyboy i bet your on about Ace

 

AMADORE i could find space for a plummer like Tuco.

[AMADORE 5]

Plummers especially the bitches have a reputation of being weak jawed the lower jaws on many are weak but then they are still capable of killing rats. But hard bites from earth quarry like foxes are going to test the best strong jawed dogs. There are few Plummer studs that produce good strong jaws and strong conformed bitches consistently .

 

Bull blood...The last bull terrier outcross "Hayley" failed to produce anything different to what is and was about proving alot...the heads and back ends were no different chests and temperament yes..but strength of jaw nope.

 

 

This Milo seems a nice dog and has sufficient jaw size to kill rats and work foxes,the problem of not finishing off rats is not down to jaw power.

[dillan 19]

All comments noted.

[dillan 19]

Hi Luke

A picture of a bitch I kept back from a Fell / Plummer mating she is 6 months old now

[Keeps 403]

the strongest bite doesnt always come frome the biggest jaw

 

Id agree with that Cleanspade.

 

This one is JRT x Plummer, the plummer dog being stronger than the JRT bitch

 

 

 

sire

[AMADORE 5]

Have a butchers at this http://www.cocothebloggingdog.com/2009/06/which-dog-breed-has-strongest-jaw.html

 

From wiki..

Cross bred dogs (first generation crosses from two purebred dogs, also called dog hybrids) are not breeds and are not considered purebred, although crossbreds from the same two breeds of purebreds can have "identical qualities", similar to what would be expected from breeding two purebreds, but with more genetic variation. However, crossbreds do not breed true (meaning that progeny will show consistent, replicable and predictable characteristics), and can only be reproduced by returning to the original two purebred breeds.

 

One has to ask WHY? bother.Best of both worlds, perhaps? obviuosly not.

[luke d 2]

thanks for the advice and some nice looking dogs il let you know on what i decide to mate with and keep you updated thanks

atb luke

[pointer 543]

nice dog keeps.i liked your russell the times i saw it hunting about and Bear was always a good looking terrier.

 

ive had a few plummer crosses over the years and have seen a few more owned by others the most recant being last month down in south wales.i think for the lads i know its enough to have terriers bred down from dogs they had and were happy with.they might not be plummers,they are just terriers.simple as that really.for some breed purity isnt an issue and if i get a pup in its enough to know i worked its parent and granparent.

 

now it could be said why bother with plummers at all and just get another breed and theres sense in that but im sentimental i suppose.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

keeps i like the tussell type.. and allways have liked bear two fine terriers. to me the pups produced from a crossbred mating are often the end product. ( a working terrier) and if it works to the standard that is needed by the breeder then its job done

 

to some folk there is more to it. and thats when it gets more difficult. lets face it if you are just looking for a worker you can just breed worker to worker and you have a good chance of breeding one. but if you want to breed a specific type of terrier and you want it to have good comformation and also want it to produce the same onsistantly. then something will have to give.

 

sorry i'm going off track. if you want to breed quality pups then instead of focasing on one weak point in your terrier. find a good dog that has got allround good qualities and has good bone. pinsley ace is worth a look if he suits your bitches lines.

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

This were comfomation and breed standards can rear its ugly head again.

Plummers as we know should be red, so if it works and is red and it has a sound temprament, surely that should be enough?

[stormyboy 1,352]

the strongest bite doesnt always come frome the biggest jaw

 

Id agree with that Cleanspade.

 

This one is JRT x Plummer, the plummer dog being stronger than the JRT bitch

 

 

 

sire

 

 

 

Bear pretty much replicated himself there typewise. It would be nice to see some plummers by him.

[steviemann 5]

I had a dog bred from mathew's san called "Q" out of plummers bealtane 2 (deimos x virago) BOTH NONE WORKERS and that was tiny 10INCH bitch had a small face and weak muzzle (due to virago) worked fox like the best terriers and killed rats as good as anything.

 

Any plummer enterd well should kill rats easily thats down to the way its been eneterd. Nothing to do with jaw power. As for working something bigger Plummeres are not ment to be "drawing terriers" they are for bolting foxes and this litte bitch I had did that well.

 

Skull size and bottom mandible are inherited differntly, thats why we get under and overshot dogs.If you want strong jaws dont use a line known to produce weak ones. Simply use something stronger ...

 

 

Tylos 24lb and to standard height

 

 

HIS SON Tuco 25lbs and to standard height.

 

 

 

 

P.s. the last bull terrier was used to strenghten back ends ..not jaws.acording to plummer in my argument with him .

 

 

 

Have you any more pics of Tuco mate?

 

 

[AMADORE 5]

Stevie