Do dogs need bull in them to make the grade on fox these days?

[Catcher 1 639]

This question comes up about once a month.The collie can dispatch a fox just as quick as the bull.As for speed the collie is by far the better dog for the job.A lot of guys out there know the bull.But a few just talk it

[lamping rabbit 11]

no they dont pal................

[Catcher 1 639]

no they dont pal................

 

 

JMHO

[Bosun11 537]

Its only my opinion but i think you edge your bets [bANNED TEXT] you have a lurcher with bull for a said quarry.Though one of the keenest fox dogs i have seen was an ex match dog formaly owned by a travelar and then used and adapted to other forms of allround work by the lad who had him a dog i rated as being a good alrounder after seeing him run.He was a mix of saluki/grey x collie/grey.atb dell

 

That was my logic too Poach, many years ago when I turned on to Bull blood. It was just to damn hard to raise a Lurcher pup, out of tried and tested fox dogs, only to see it fall short, sometimes way short, of its parentage. That was back then though, way back, before this god awfull ban, it was all about foxes, foxes in numbers.

It's heart breaking to put all your efforts into something, for so long, build up your hopes and it fails. With Bull blood, the right Bull blood the odds were much greater.

 

All that said though and the two best fox dogs i've ever seen had no bull blood in 'em, just heart, speed, desire and a little bit of sommat special 'to work out the moves!'

[Guest digthemdeeper]

no every1 thinks bull x are the best when other dogs will do the same job.....deerhound x greyhound will kill foxes single handed...

[scent 509]

I hav'nt seen a dog without bull in make the single handed grade in years have you?

 

Seen most crossbreeds tackle foxes over the years,...but few had the intensity or capability of the Bull bloods ....

 

I used to kill them,.. if the landowner or keeper was nearby,..and demanded them gone,..but nowadays,..my business is purely rabbiting,..things are different,..and there is no profit in messing around with a stinky vulpine....

 

All the best,.CHALKWARREN....

 

CW,is that a deerhound x in your photo,if it is, was it called LUCY?

Sorry posted this without reading further down ,it is Lucy she won Lambourn I beleive.

 

Yes,..that is Lambourn Lucy,...she was just an old show pony,...just like me....

 

All the best,...CHALKWARREN....

fine hound that chalky

[kevin kiely 66]

 

That was my logic too Poach, many years ago when I turned on to Bull blood. It was just to damn hard to raise a Lurcher pup, out of tried and tested fox dogs, only to see it fall short, sometimes way short, of its parentage. That was back then though, way back, before this god awfull ban, it was all about foxes, foxes in numbers.

It's heart breaking to put all your efforts into something, for so long, build up your hopes and it fails. With Bull blood, the right Bull blood the odds were much greater.

 

All that said though and the two best fox dogs i've ever seen had no bull blood in 'em, just heart, speed, desire and a little bit of sommat special 'to work out the moves!'

thats a true post mate,people who know the bull lurchers swear by em for regular hard work and id believe what youv said .oh and was that 'sommat special' collie ?dont answer it wil cause trouble

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Its silly to think that they have to have bull blood in them when there are a bunch of dogs that do it that dont have bull blood. That being said, I'll take a dog thats half kangaroo if they can do their damn job.

[stormrider8 59]

I hav'nt seen a dog without bull in make the single handed grade in years have you?

 

No they dont.. But it increases the chances of the dog making the grade 10 fold..

[jimmy100 48]

a 25lb fox would be killed just as quick by any cross that weighs twice as much imo

[kevin kiely 66]

a 25lb fox would be killed just as quick by any cross that weighs twice as much imo

granted they are not the hardest to kill but the point i think is that the dog has to do a few a week every season for all his working life

and some dogs that CAN kill foxes might in time shy away or be reluctant to go ahead and strike if he knows what its like to be bitten from previous experiences or having been entered incorrectly

[bird 9,862]

I think it comes down to [how] much fox work pre ban the dog would do.? Most lurchers will do a [few] foxes.But to kill say 3-4 foxes a night [3-4 nights aweek.The is only bullxs of the [right stuff] that will handle that. Ihad a colliexgrey 26in 70lb back in late 80s, that could kill foxes easy. But as good as he was,not many can handle [serious] work of the above

[jimmy100 48]

a 25lb fox would be killed just as quick by any cross that weighs twice as much imo

granted they are not the hardest to kill but the point i think is that the dog has to do a few a week every season for all his working life

and some dogs that CAN kill foxes might in time shy away or be reluctant to go ahead and strike if he knows what its like to be bitten from previous experiences or having been entered incorrectly

true but but the same can be said about a bull cross tho?? dont get me wrong i love bull crosses they are everything i like in a dog but ive seen dogs of all types take foxes week in week out it depends on every individual dog and owner

[hedz31 1,308]

True bird but to be fair pre ban or not how many blokes do you know or did you know i should say take 3 or 4 foxes a night and go out 3 or 4 times a week every week of the year thats 9 to 18 foxes a week and 36 to 72 foxes a month there aint many blokes doing or done that

Regards hedz

[jimmy100 48]

I think it comes down to [how] much fox work pre ban the dog would do.? Most lurchers will do a [few] foxes.But to kill say 3-4 foxes a night [3-4 nights aweek.The is only bullxs of the [right stuff] that will handle that. Ihad a colliexgrey 26in 70lb back in late 80s, that could kill foxes easy. But as good as he was,not many can handle [serious] work of the above

so just because your dog didnt that means none never??