hancock lurchers

[roybo 2,873]

Genuine question to everyone who wants 1/2 cross collies (or any other cross for that matter) why has it got to be a 1/2 cross? I would prefer a lurcher a few generations down the line in a hope that someone has done the hard work and fixed a bit of ability ,or took some of the guess work out of the breeding?

As I say not knocking just the way I look at it.

[reddog70 236]

I think for me with a half cross collie grey genetics can only go a certain or limited way, the offspring will generally be quite typey and you can almost rely on hybrid vigor.. with multiple crosses they can go anyway good or bad.. this is my take on it lol.. they also suit the ground I run them on, also lucky to have not picked up many injuries so better the devil you know lol

[bird 9,872]

Genuine question to everyone who wants 1/2 cross collies (or any other cross for that matter) why has it got to be a 1/2 cross? I would prefer a lurcher a few generations down the line in a hope that someone has done the hard work and fixed a bit of ability ,or took some of the guess work out of the breeding?

As I say not knocking just the way I look at it.

 

fair point Roy regards 1xs when we spoke before as you said it always risk with straight 1x what ever the breed , as you never really what pup will from each parent of there different breeding , but suppose as well with lurcher x lurcher just say 4 breeds are in there , you still got the same problem regards what genes they pick up with more in there. i think ive been lucky with my 2 dogs, as both are 1xs as you know , both are good at catching rabbits , not bad wind and both have fair pace for 1xs, and Buck deff more of a alrounder than Bryn is. So from these 2 dogs,and deff from Buck i say 1x is good %, but as you said it a risk with a 1x true . A % i like is 2nd gen 1x, i have seen some very good dogs over the years , a lad i knew had 2nd gen 1x bull x grey , it was good on rabbits, not bad wind+ pace, and still plenty of grit for when it was needed , deff a % in a lurcher i go for if i was after another dog

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Half cross composites of any Running dog x whatever,..are easy to produce,...I bred quite a few...

However,..it was always my intention to 'improve' upon that initial hybridization...

For me,..although useful and always worthwhile,..the first cross was simply the start,....the real fun begins as the next few steps are taken..

Edited March 23, 2017 by Phil Lloyd

[troyboy17 631]

Half cross composites of any Running dog x whatever,..are easy to produce,...I bred quite a few...

However,..it was always my intention to 'improve' upon that initial hybridization...

For me,..although useful and always worthwhile,..the first cross was simply the sta

rt,....the real fun begins as the next few steps are taken..

 

so what your next stage on a 1st cross collie grey phil

[flynndog 543]

I had a little sandy coloured bitch a few years ago called sally was the best lamping and ferreting bitch I dare say I'll ever see but on the other hand I dad a Merle dog who was one horrible mother fuc@#r he was a mandated if you looked at him in the car or nudged him going round a corner ... Couldn't catch a bunny in a phonebox either

[Neal 1,857]

I agree with Phil (but what would I know, I've not owned a lurcher for twelve years ).

 

I think the problem for those of us starting out in the 80s and 90s was that we were programmed to think a "proper" lurcher had to have quantifiable amounts of given blood and that anybody breeding lurchers by mating two of them together was simply messing about and not being scientific enough. It was an easy patter to fall for.

[troyboy17 631]

Has anyone got a picture of hannock kubla khan ? Has I have just got a 13 month old pup who's grandfather was kubla khan

[darbo 4,774]

Has anyone got a picture of hannock kubla khan ? Has I have just got a 13 month old pup who's grandfather was kubla khan

[morton 5,368]

Half cross composites of any Running dog x whatever,..are easy to produce,...I bred quite a few...

However,..it was always my intention to 'improve' upon that initial hybridization...

For me,..although useful and always worthwhile,..the first cross was simply the start,....the real fun begins as the next few steps are taken..

The average lurcher owner could not plan a booze up in a brewery,getting the same folk to plan a wedding is the reason so much Collie dross is bred and the reliance on the Collie puppy farmer.Totally concur P the initial litter is the first step to Nirvana and Nirvana cannot be reached without a Collie on the first,4th,and 8th rung of the ladder.

[troyboy17 631]

Thanks for the picture darbo many thanks

[morton 5,368]

I agree with Phil (but what would I know, I've not owned a lurcher for twelve years ).

 

I think the problem for those of us starting out in the 80s and 90s was that we were programmed to think a "proper" lurcher had to have quantifiable amounts of given blood and that anybody breeding lurchers by mating two of them together was simply messing about and not being scientific enough. It was an easy patter to fall for.

I spent nearly the entire ,s with lurchers that had no "given" blood in their lineage and mutts that where bred from honest lineages the better respected kennels would have loved to have dipped into.In that era the best of lurchers,even Saluki hybrids,were better represented,in the field,by more honest mutts than are available today.The chance of sourcing a decent lurcher in the early ,s would serve better reward than attempting to source the same today.As the ,s grew into the 90,s the name became the focal point of the breeding and not what the breeding offered.Id love to travel back to Lambourne in 1984 and travel back to Yorkshire with an honest mutt that set me back £25 than travel to the Fens now and pay £750 for a mutt with names behind its breeding that will never make it a better dog.Ive stated many times on here that id love to dna test some of these top end dogs,especially the ones that end up in Ireland and trace their lineage to the stolen no name mutts that vanished from these shores.

[Shaddy93 840]

Only ever seen one half cross collie greyhound out of David hancocks kennels, and its put me off them for life, 4 years old never caught anything, pulls up on rabbits the lad that owns the dog knows as much about lurchers as I know about how a womens brain works, not a lot... however the dog has always been a kennel dog he didn't show it anything until was 12 months old, the dog is sh*t simple as that

[troyboy17 631]

Well shaddy93 don't blame the dog it sounds as though the person that had him was more to blame than the dog and that's the case in a lot of dogs that are shit it's easy to blame the dog

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Unless a dog bites chavies,..I would never call it shit,...

 

Jukels are like people,.some more talented than others,...just trying to get through their lives, best as they can..

Some make the grade,..while others are not suitable as working dogs,...but,.in my opinion,..they are never shit....

Edited March 27, 2017 by Phil Lloyd