hancock lurchers

[bunnys 1,228]

it was no coincidence with chuckles he was bred from chucks working collie dog who also would eatn ya if he got of his chain when on guard , to this very day i believe chuck still keeps a straight collie dog for work . atb bunnys.

[darbo 4,774]

it was no coincidence with chuckles he was bred from chucks working collie dog who also would eatn ya if he got of his chain when on guard , to this very day i believe chuck still keeps a straight collie dog for work . atb bunnys.

bunnys is it true that chuck A worked the mentioned collie at the rabbiting game. was chuckles sire a rabbiting collie? Edited July 18, 2012 by darbo

[albert64 1,882]

i've seen some good some not so good,

collie crosses are'nt for everyone, some people think get a collie cross

and its instantly going to excell at ferreting/lamping, well its a bit harder than that

people that have had them and knock them, have probably not give them enough time and stimulation

some dogs take 12mths to mature some 24mths there all different

if you put enough in you'll get it out

a mate of mine lost his beardie cross (hancock) early this years while out hunting,

it was a good honest bitch and just coming into her own at 3yrs old

he tried to find a replacement but could'nt so went back to hancock

and got a bitch sired by his new beardie thats done some ferreting, the bitch only had 2 in the litter

so here's to the next 2/3 yrs getting it to a made dog, but it wont get sold at the first hurdle

[darbo 4,774]

it will be intresting to hear how these turn out from this beardie dog in the right hands.anyone with a inclination to own a beardie half cross would have a difficult time trying to access a pup apart from going to the obvious.

[albert64 1,882]

alright darbo

yes the plan was to put my dog to the bitch that got killed in a couple of years

but we'll see how this bitch gets on, it'll be worked with my dog this coming season

like you say you there hard to find bred the right way, atleast you know its what they say it is

when you go to hancock, then its up to yourself to put the work in

[darbo 4,774]

alright darbo

yes the plan was to put my dog to the bitch that got killed in a couple of years

but we'll see how this bitch gets on, it'll be worked with my dog this coming season

like you say you there hard to find bred the right way, atleast you know its what they say it is

when you go to hancock, then its up to yourself to put the work in

true albert . i hope your mates bitch makes the grade.

[omegathelast 160]

I bet Mr Hancock wishes he had a tenner for every post on here relating to his kennels, or posts on other sites for that matter.

 

My views are fairly simple and based on seeing a few over the years; if you are looking for a decent collie lurcher and you want to be sure of what you are getting then they are worth a look. Also, given the legal restrictions on hunting a collie cross is, in my view, ideal. I think people over-estimate the 'worker to worker' or 'superdog x terminator' lurcher x lurcher matings which can themselves be problematic and I despise the bull cross fashion which is the final death nail for respectable working lurcher sport, fact. Historically the lurcher was a herding dog crossed with a running dog and that is precisely what Hancock does and in reality I think there are probably more bad Hancock owners than bad Hancock dogs. It has been rightly pointed out that collie crosses need time, socialising, training and stimulation. I fear that the 'lock it in the run until we go out lamping' brigade might well find a collie based lurcher beyond them. In fact I shudder at the thought of my old beardie cross being in the hands of morons with lower brain capacity than she possesed.

 

I personally do have a slight issue with the commercial nature of the operation and I would probably opt for a private bred dog of similar breeding if there was one available from a trustworthy source. Having said that I accompanied a friend on a visit to pick up a pup last year and to be fair the criticisms of the conditions there were simply untrue as the kennels were well kept and all the dogs looked healthy and clean.

 

Finally, you also have to agree there are some cracking looking working Hancock dogs posted on this thread, like it or not hancock doubters!!!

Edited July 19, 2012 by omegathelast

[tinytiger 822]

I bet Mr Hancock wishes he had a tenner for every post on here relating to his kennels, or posts on other sites for that matter.

 

My views are fairly simple and based on seeing a few over the years; if you are looking for a decent collie lurcher and you want to be sure of what you are getting then they are worth a look. Also, given the legal restrictions on hunting a collie cross is, in my view, ideal. I think people over-estimate the 'worker to worker' or 'superdog x terminator' lurcher x lurcher matings which can themselves be problematic and I despise the bull cross fashion which is the final death nail for respectable working lurcher sport, fact. Historically the lurcher was a herding dog crossed with a running dog and that is precisely what Hancock does and in reality I think there are probably more bad Hancock owners than bad Hancock dogs. It has been rightly pointed out that collie crosses need time, socialising, training and stimulation. I fear that the 'lock it in the run until we go out lamping' brigade might well find a collie based lurcher beyond them. In fact I shudder at the thought of my old beardie cross being in the hands of morons with lower brain capacity than she possesed.

 

I personally do have a slight issue with the commercial nature of the operation and I would probably opt for a private bred dog of similar breeding if there was one available from a trustworthy source. Having said that I accompanied a friend on a visit to pick up a pup last year and to be fair the criticisms of the conditions there were simply untrue as the kennels were well kept and all the dogs looked healthy and clean.

 

Finally, you also have to agree there are some cracking looking working Hancock dogs posted on this thread, like it or not hancock doubters!!!

 

i agree with your post-the best working lurcher ive ever seen(a 3/4 bred collie hound) bred nearly nothing of any use-and he was an outstanding animal

[birddog 1,354]

I bet Mr Hancock wishes he had a tenner for every post on here relating to his kennels, or posts on other sites for that matter.

 

My views are fairly simple and based on seeing a few over the years; if you are looking for a decent collie lurcher and you want to be sure of what you are getting then they are worth a look. Also, given the legal restrictions on hunting a collie cross is, in my view, ideal. I think people over-estimate the 'worker to worker' or 'superdog x terminator' lurcher x lurcher matings which can themselves be problematic and I despise the bull cross fashion which is the final death nail for respectable working lurcher sport, fact. Historically the lurcher was a herding dog crossed with a running dog and that is precisely what Hancock does and in reality I think there are probably more bad Hancock owners than bad Hancock dogs. It has been rightly pointed out that collie crosses need time, socialising, training and stimulation. I fear that the 'lock it in the run until we go out lamping' brigade might well find a collie based lurcher beyond them. In fact I shudder at the thought of my old beardie cross being in the hands of morons with lower brain capacity than she possesed.

 

I personally do have a slight issue with the commercial nature of the operation and I would probably opt for a private bred dog of similar breeding if there was one available from a trustworthy source. Having said that I accompanied a friend on a visit to pick up a pup last year and to be fair the criticisms of the conditions there were simply untrue as the kennels were well kept and all the dogs looked healthy and clean.

 

Finally, you also have to agree there are some cracking looking working Hancock dogs posted on this thread, like it or not hancock doubters!!!

as you say a lot is down to the owners maybe thats why some don't make it, if someone used to the point and shoot type dogs that don't require the stimulation of a collie x takes one on without being prepared for the commitment needed it's understandable if the pup falls short, before someone picks me up i agree that perhaps hancock himself could do more to vet the buyers but is that really his job? if anyone is going to buy a pup that'll potentially last them a dozen or so years should they not do their homework?

4 past and just keeps getting better

[littlefish 578]

i've seen some good some not so good,

collie crosses are'nt for everyone, some people think get a collie cross

and its instantly going to excell at ferreting/lamping, well its a bit harder than that

people that have had them and knock them, have probably not give them enough time and stimulation

some dogs take 12mths to mature some 24mths there all different

if you put enough in you'll get it out

a mate of mine lost his beardie cross (hancock) early this years while out hunting,

it was a good honest bitch and just coming into her own at 3yrs old

he tried to find a replacement but could'nt so went back to hancock

and got a bitch sired by his new beardie thats done some ferreting, the bitch only had 2 in the litter

so here's to the next 2/3 yrs getting it to a made dog, but it wont get sold at the first hurdle

 

 

I think this statement could equally be applied to owner/handlers.......?

[bird 9,868]

I bet Mr Hancock wishes he had a tenner for every post on here relating to his kennels, or posts on other sites for that matter.

 

My views are fairly simple and based on seeing a few over the years; if you are looking for a decent collie lurcher and you want to be sure of what you are getting then they are worth a look. Also, given the legal restrictions on hunting a collie cross is, in my view, ideal. I think people over-estimate the 'worker to worker' or 'superdog x terminator' lurcher x lurcher matings which can themselves be problematic and I despise the bull cross fashion which is the final death nail for respectable working lurcher sport, fact. Historically the lurcher was a herding dog crossed with a running dog and that is precisely what Hancock does and in reality I think there are probably more bad Hancock owners than bad Hancock dogs. It has been rightly pointed out that collie crosses need time, socialising, training and stimulation. I fear that the 'lock it in the run until we go out lamping' brigade might well find a collie based lurcher beyond them. In fact I shudder at the thought of my old beardie cross being in the hands of morons with lower brain capacity than she possesed.

 

I personally do have a slight issue with the commercial nature of the operation and I would probably opt for a private bred dog of similar breeding if there was one available from a trustworthy source. Having said that I accompanied a friend on a visit to pick up a pup last year and to be fair the criticisms of the conditions there were simply untrue as the kennels were well kept and all the dogs looked healthy and clean.

 

Finally, you also have to agree there are some cracking looking working Hancock dogs posted on this thread, like it or not hancock doubters!!!

 

i (dont) agree with bullx part, as some are very good dogs bred to for things that bite back, but can still do rabbits no prob. Yes the colliex grey was bred as pot filler (rabbits,birds, odd hares) and they excell at this task Having had bullxs and colliexs got 1 now, i just wouldnt go and get a pup from parents that are stuck in a feckin run 24/7 . i am not saying all his dogs are crap, because some have been ok, my mate had 2 and he was happy with them. my dog Bryn came from working farm collie, and a greyhound bitch that had been out lamping alot of times.So both working parents, not as i say stuck in a run 24/7 i am hoping to have a1x gsd x grey dog pup this, same again the gsd bitch works with jacks round the farm doing pet control and been lamping, and the greyhound is a very good dog and not just on the track as well.! get your pups from dogs that have seen quarry

[billhardy 2,342]

 

it was no coincidence with chuckles he was bred from chucks working collie dog who also would eatn ya if he got of his chain when on guard , to this very day i believe chuck still keeps a straight collie dog for work . atb bunnys.

bunnys is it true that chuck A worked the mentioned collie at the rabbiting game. was chuckles sire a rabbiting collie?

. Yes the collie dog was used has a pot filler rabbit etc .atb bunnys.

[Dinosaurs 2,035]

Bird dog think i'd have that middle pic framed on my wall if it were mine bud ? Atb

[Plucky1 1,119]

This has been discussed a million times on here, if I thought his pups were of the standard his early stuff was I'd have one in a heartbeat but the sad facts are that they are puppy farmed rubbish bred to be pets, every now and then a pup with a decent genetic make up will be matched to someone like bird dog, that lucky pup will get worked and be a decent worker but the other 99 in the hundred will amount to nothing, I had 3 or 4 different crosses bred from 80's "Hancock" stuff and the work ethic was great, the best for me was a 5/8 grey/ collie cross out of "Chuckles", first night on the lamp she killed 7/7 rabbits, daytime hare's, pheasant, snatch pigeons out the sky when a flock got up after stalking them, murdered fox, she was only small with a "Chuckles" curly tail but a stone cold killer of anything, you cannot in any way compare the sh*t produced today to anything we had back then, my lad had 2 off him, 1 after the other off the "naughty boys" a couple of years back neither lasted more than 18 months, both dead in the ground, just not hardy at all, slightest knock and that was that, breeding off hard tested dogs that are out everyday working is the only pup to buy, they are stronger all round in constitution, stamina, natural fitness, drive,etc,, buy from "hancock" only perpetuates him and "Sally" making an easy living and see's dogs being kept cruelly in kennels without ever seeing the fields or work, he needs shutting down or his operation reduced to a couple of greyhound bitches, I've had the tour twice and took a lot of photo's when last there, I'm ashamed to say I met him through Plummer a number of times and liked him better as a tulip and daffodil bulb seller, WM

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,732]

You can't go straight out and buy a half cross this a 3 quarter that anywhere else , true

 

But their are far better collie blooded lurcher about there than anything that's came from that shit hole