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[lakeman 12]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

[rob84 112]

Keeping the bloodline close is the best way of consistently throwing workers simple as that, when outcrossing to other blood you would make sure that that was 1/4 / 1/2 related.

You have just got to make sure that when your breeding so close your original dogs have no major faults. Other wise your doubling up on the bad points. With the bad mouth losing teeth quicker and one with a tidy mouth. Doest make a blind bit of differnece it its a hard type of dog and mixes a fair bit it will lose teeth.

[donnyc 1,203]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

[oohmydog 82]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

The kennel club came up with the idea of line breeding years ago if you look at there track record it does not need explaining .the wolves keep deformities out of there breeding by only the alpha male and alpha female breeding if a wolf from another pack ousts the alpha male it widens the gene pool i think thats how it works

[wexford Pa 84]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

The kennel club came up with the idea of line breeding years ago if you look at there track record it does not need explaining .the wolves keep deformities out of there breeding by only the alpha male and alpha female breeding if a wolf from another pack ousts the alpha male it widens the gene pool i think thats how it works

[marrajack 1]

IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE A DOG IS BRED OF SUCH AND SUCK A DOG IT GETS TO BE TALKED ABOUT IVE SEEN SOME HANDY DOGS BRED OUT OUT OF NO NAME AND I WOULD PUT ANY COULOUR OF MONEY THEY ;D BAIT ANY DOG OFF THE FIELD PEOPLR ARE TO MUCH GOT UP IN NAMES. NAMES DONT MEAN f**k ALL THERE JUST A MARK OR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE $$$$$

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Just because a dog is from a famous name does not make it better (or worse), one thing though, we have big names to thank for most lines of terrier way back, but lines are now kept by lads out of the spotlight.

 

I think big names are to thank in some cases, however the ones that have puppy peddaled add nowt to the game

[clinker 0]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

The kennel club came up with the idea of line breeding years ago if you look at there track record it does not need explaining .the wolves keep deformities out of there breeding by only the alpha male and alpha female breeding if a wolf from another pack ousts the alpha male it widens the gene pool i think thats how it works

another thing pa,why do you think the workin weaten nearly went extinct in ireland? cos every c**t was breeding them close,they were as wake as piss,thats why they added in the bull to make them strong again .lay off the books and the internet bud

[wexford Pa 84]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

The kennel club came up with the idea of line breeding years ago if you look at there track record it does not need explaining .the wolves keep deformities out of there breeding by only the alpha male and alpha female breeding if a wolf from another pack ousts the alpha male it widens the gene pool i think thats how it works

another thing pa,why do you think the workin weaten nearly went extinct in ireland? cos every c**t was breeding them close,they were as wake as piss,thats why they added in the bull to make them strong again .lay off the books and the internet bud

The working wheaten is in decline due to kennel club, nothing to do with breeding.. We could be here for hours if we start goin down that topic.. The lads that add bull are tryin to put game back into what was a very game breed, but due to years of legislation on badgers there wasnt much work for them as they were too big for other earthwork so over years lost there gameness.. But hey what would i know i havent read any books on them..

In future mate, stick to topic n stop tryin to be a smart arse..

Edited February 26, 2010 by wexford Pa

[clinker 0]

D o you think undershot dogs loose there teeth a lot quicker than a dog with a good mouth ,if worked and the dog gets up to his quarry

 

is an undershot mouth a good mouth upside down

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No its then overshot

The kennel club came up with the idea of line breeding years ago if you look at there track record it does not need explaining .the wolves keep deformities out of there breeding by only the alpha male and alpha female breeding if a wolf from another pack ousts the alpha male it widens the gene pool i think thats how it works

another thing pa,why do you think the workin weaten nearly went extinct in ireland? cos every c**t was breeding them close,they were as wake as piss,thats why they added in the bull to make them strong again .lay off the books and the internet bud

The working wheaten is in decline due to kennel club, nothing to do with breeding.. We could be here for hours if we start goin down that topic.. The lads that add bull are tryin to put game back into what was a very game breed, but due to years of legislation on badgers there wasnt much work for them as they were too big for other earthwork so over years lost there gameness.. But hey what would i know i havent read any books on them..

In future mate, stick to topic n stop tryin to be a smart arse..

they added bull inta weatens for gameness? are you for real? you dont know what your on about mate. im on about workin weatens english bull terrier was added to the weaten. so your telling me they added in english bull terrier for gameness? so all the english bulls were workin away and the weaten was idle due to lack of work? stop now pa will ya.

[wexford Pa 84]

Again off topic, start a new topic!

[wilko tango 50]

in my own opinion i think its right in some cases to look for terriers off well known breeders. but i can see why people think big names are money spinners. we ll take brian nuttall for example and before people start jumping down my throat this is from experienc. i bought pups from him one time after reading all the books and stuff like that i cud nt wait to go over and pay him for the pups. flew over to pay him even though we could nt bring the pups home and we would have to wait another two weeks for the pups to come over on the boat. any way to cut a long story short we got into his yard sen the dogs and were nt happy with the type of them at all i asked him were his workers were as we taught all the dogs running around us were pups we got some shock when he told us they were his workers and started to name them off. we decided to take a chance after making the trip to england. and plus if the man had the name he had it could nt be all bad. two weeks later the pups came over at six weeks of age even though we asked him if he could hang on to them til 8 weeks old and he declined. anyway the following day after they came over they were in the vets all 3 of them had parvo two of them died and the one that suvived is nt even worth the mention. now we were very green at the time and i leared a very valueable lesson from that experience. now am probably being unfair to the man mayby i just got unlucky but iv heard from a few people that they would not go near his stuff because of the way its gone workwise and sizewise. and iv being told that the stuff that he bread years ago was second to none i think its a pity the way he changed his breeding. any way i got lucky the folowing year when i got the oppertunity to get pups from another big name but completely different than the other big name in so many ways work comes first with this man. and to be honest he very rarely sells a pup there mostly giving out to the boys he digs with. i was also lucky to be getting out digging with them as they taught me everyting i know about it thats probably not saying alot cause i know f**k all lol. but out of seven terriers tha i got from him (and the last few for nothing)iv got 4 working one is travelling and another is only six months old. one never worked. i dont think you would get the same amount of terriers going from breeding thats not from a certain strain. jimo.

[deakin 37]

IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE A DOG IS BRED OF SUCH AND SUCK A DOG IT GETS TO BE TALKED ABOUT IVE SEEN SOME HANDY DOGS BRED OUT OUT OF NO NAME AND I WOULD PUT ANY COULOUR OF MONEY THEY ;D BAIT ANY DOG OFF THE FIELD PEOPLR ARE TO MUCH GOT UP IN NAMES. NAMES DONT MEAN f**k ALL THERE JUST A MARK OR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE $$$$$

name dont meen a thing alot of lads see a dog working then think pups are going to be same that to me is bullsh*t the dog as got to been shown what to do tuck out doing it job so it can pick up the the way you want it to work you could get a pup off any f*cker and it could be best dog you ever seen at end of day it what you train the dog to do

[Hepher 86]

IS IT JUST ME OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE A DOG IS BRED OF SUCH AND SUCK A DOG IT GETS TO BE TALKED ABOUT IVE SEEN SOME HANDY DOGS BRED OUT OUT OF NO NAME AND I WOULD PUT ANY COULOUR OF MONEY THEY ;D BAIT ANY DOG OFF THE FIELD PEOPLR ARE TO MUCH GOT UP IN NAMES. NAMES DONT MEAN f**k ALL THERE JUST A MARK OR PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE $$$$$

name dont meen a thing alot of lads see a dog working then think pups are going to be same that to me is bullsh*t the dog as got to been shown what to do tuck out doing it job so it can pick up the the way you want it to work you could get a pup off any f*cker and it could be best dog you ever seen at end of day it what you train the dog to do

 

:clapper: "TRAIN" NOW THERE'S A THL STATEMENT. YOU CAN TRAIN A DOG TO SIT, STAY, LIE DOWN. YOU CAN'T TRAIN A TERRIER TO GO INTO THE DARK AND DO IT'S JOB. HOW WOULD YOU "TRAIN" A TERRIER TO ENTER, FIND, STAY UNTIL DUG TO? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME? IF A TERRIER CAN BE "TRAINED" TO DO THIS THEN WE SHOULD ALL AHVE GREAT WORKERS IN OUR YARDS SHOULD WE NOT??

[Guest eastmids]

[quote name='Hepher' date='01 March 2010 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1267413741'

"TRAIN" NOW THERE'S A THL STATEMENT. YOU CAN TRAIN A DOG TO SIT, STAY, LIE DOWN. YOU CAN'T TRAIN A TERRIER TO GO INTO THE DARK AND DO IT'S JOB. HOW WOULD YOU "TRAIN" A TERRIER TO ENTER, FIND, STAY UNTIL DUG TO? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME? IF A TERRIER CAN BE "TRAINED" TO DO THIS THEN WE SHOULD ALL AHVE GREAT WORKERS IN OUR YARDS SHOULD WE NOT??

 

:clapper: "TRAIN" NOW THERE'S A THL STATEMENT. YOU CAN TRAIN A DOG TO SIT, STAY, LIE DOWN. YOU CAN'T TRAIN A TERRIER TO GO INTO THE DARK AND DO IT'S JOB. HOW WOULD YOU "TRAIN" A TERRIER TO ENTER, FIND, STAY UNTIL DUG TO? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME? IF A TERRIER CAN BE "TRAINED" TO DO THIS THEN WE SHOULD ALL AHVE GREAT WORKERS IN OUR YARDS SHOULD WE NOT??

granted we prefer to use the term "bringing on a pup" but isnt the way we turn a pup on or ease into the game "a form of training"??.

cant see where the lad implied you could train a dog to stay?

Edited March 1, 2010 by eastmids

[FightTheBan 1,147]

"granted we prefer to use the term "bringing on a pup" but isnt the way we turn a pup on or ease into the game "a form of training"??.

cant see where the lad implied you could train a dog to stay? "

 

Not really. Training is a method of installing something into a dog that is already there. Labradors to retrieve to hand (part of instinct), lurchers to hunt up etc.

With terriers its there or its not, You cant put in what was left out and no amount of training will help this.

 

 

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