FOR SALE - .410 FOLDING BELGIAN HAMMER SHOTGUN

[badsworth 0]

FOR SALE - .410 FOLDING BELGIAN HAMMER SHOTGUN

A really exceptional example of this lovely little Belgian 'Poachers Gun'.

 

24" octagonal to round Barrel. Colour Hardening to action. Good woodwork and excellent bore. Probably 3/4 or full choke.

 

Exact age unknown - but this kind of folding gun was popular from around 1895 to 1950.

 

Bought three years ago from 'Modern and Antique Firearms' of Tuckton, Bournemouth for my 13 year old son. It is as light as a feather and has virtually no re-coil. Shoots beautifully, though it has had very few rounds through it.

An ideal starter or ladies gun, but also a nice collector's piece. It is the best example of one of these you are ever likely to find.

Usual SGC rules apply.

 

£200.00.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[leegreen 2,153]

I'll give you £50

[seffa 0]

FOR SALE - .410 FOLDING BELGIAN HAMMER SHOTGUN

A really exceptional example of this lovely little Belgian 'Poachers Gun'.

 

24" octagonal to round Barrel. Colour Hardening to action. Good woodwork and excellent bore. Probably 3/4 or full choke.

 

Exact age unknown - but this kind of folding gun was popular from around 1895 to 1950.

 

Bought three years ago from 'Modern and Antique Firearms' of Tuckton, Bournemouth for my 13 year old son. It is as light as a feather and has virtually no re-coil. Shoots beautifully, though it has had very few rounds through it.

An ideal starter or ladies gun, but also a nice collector's piece. It is the best example of one of these you are ever likely to find.

Usual SGC rules apply.

 

£200.00.

that looks smart were abouts are you im from near manchester

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[watchman 256]

I'll give you £50

well if we gonna have an auction ill give you £60

[sanibel686 29]

That is not colour hardening on the action, someone has just sanded it down and warmed it up randomly with a torch to put some colour on the metal. Shouldnt' be a big problem on a 410 but you should be aware of what you are selling.

[seffa 0]

That is not colour hardening on the action, someone has just sanded it down and warmed it up randomly with a torch to put some colour on the metal. Shouldnt' be a big problem on a 410 but you should be aware of what you are selling.

what do you mean pal

[leegreen 2,153]

I'll give you £50

well if we gonna have an auction ill give you £60

 

£64.75p

[sanibel686 29]

Read right through the important bit is at the end

what do you mean pal

 

Low carbon steel, i.e. steel with about 20 points or less of carbon, cannot be made to harden by heating and quenching, as higher carbon steels can. Low carbon steels are tough, soft and flexible. They wear quickly and batter easily.

 

Many parts, including gun actions in days gone by, were made with low carbon steel. It was cheap, strong and easy to machine. Unfortunately it would not stand up to the battering of use in the field. Case hardening added carbon to the surface skin of the steel part and left it in a state which could be hardened by quenching.

 

To case harden a part (the process is also known as pack hardening) the finished low carbon steel part is placed in a sealed container, packed with a high carbon compound. In the old days this was simply animal hide or bone. The container filled with parts and carbon bearing material was brought to a red heat and held at that temperature for a time determined by the size of the part. The time might be from a half hour up to several hours. As the bone or hide became carbon in the container, and a carbon rich gas formed, some of the carbon would infuse into the surface of the steel. Over time this would penetrate several thousandths of an inch, producing a high carbon surface on the low carbon steel part.

 

At the proper time the container is removed from the furnace and the contents dumped into a quenching bath, usually water with perhaps a surface coat of oil to lessen the shock of the quench. The high carbon surface skin becomes glass hard, but the low carbon body of the piece remains soft and very ductile and able to resist shock. Properly done it made a simple and very durable system for treating metal action parts.

 

Colors are produced when the steel surface is cooled unevenly, capturing the natural blues, oranges and yellows of cooling steel. Several methods are employed to do this. Stevens moved the parts into the quench in a jerky fashion, producing a barred effect of color. Perazzi did the same. In the London trade the quench bath, usually a barrel with soft water and a skim of oil, was agitated by stirring, or with bubbles of air, producing a mottled effect on the steel.

 

This gun may have been through this case hardening process originally at manufacture, although I doubt if it would have been coloured. What has happened during it's restoration is that someone has polished the rusty action back to bright metal then played a gas torch over it to heat it to a point where the tempering colours have started to run accross it's surface. This may have tempered the action past the original hardening process and the action may have become softer as a result. Personally it wouldn't worry me on a 410 for occasional use but the seller has mis described it as "colour hardening" (probably unintentionally)and it is exactly the opposite!

Edited February 21, 2010 by sanibel686

[watchman 256]

Read right through the important bit is at the end

what do you mean pal

 

Low carbon steel, i.e. steel with about 20 points or less of carbon, cannot be made to harden by heating and quenching, as higher carbon steels can. Low carbon steels are tough, soft and flexible. They wear quickly and batter easily.

 

Many parts, including gun actions in days gone by, were made with low carbon steel. It was cheap, strong and easy to machine. Unfortunately it would not stand up to the battering of use in the field. Case hardening added carbon to the surface skin of the steel part and left it in a state which could be hardened by quenching.

 

To case harden a part (the process is also known as pack hardening) the finished low carbon steel part is placed in a sealed container, packed with a high carbon compound. In the old days this was simply animal hide or bone. The container filled with parts and carbon bearing material was brought to a red heat and held at that temperature for a time determined by the size of the part. The time might be from a half hour up to several hours. As the bone or hide became carbon in the container, and a carbon rich gas formed, some of the carbon would infuse into the surface of the steel. Over time this would penetrate several thousandths of an inch, producing a high carbon surface on the low carbon steel part.

 

At the proper time the container is removed from the furnace and the contents dumped into a quenching bath, usually water with perhaps a surface coat of oil to lessen the shock of the quench. The high carbon surface skin becomes glass hard, but the low carbon body of the piece remains soft and very ductile and able to resist shock. Properly done it made a simple and very durable system for treating metal action parts.

 

Colors are produced when the steel surface is cooled unevenly, capturing the natural blues, oranges and yellows of cooling steel. Several methods are employed to do this. Stevens moved the parts into the quench in a jerky fashion, producing a barred effect of color. Perazzi did the same. In the London trade the quench bath, usually a barrel with soft water and a skim of oil, was agitated by stirring, or with bubbles of air, producing a mottled effect on the steel.

 

This gun may have been through this process originally at manufacture, although I doubt if it would have been coloured. what has happened during it's restoration is that someone has polished the rusty action back to bright metal then played a gas torch over it to heat it up to a point where the tempering colours have started to run. If this has heated the action past the original hardening process then the action may have become softer as a result. Personally it wouldn't worry me on a 410 but the seller has mis described it (probably unintentionally) as "colour hardening" as it is exactly the opposite!

f**k me you live and learn,good info mate,ill up my offer lol £65

[seffa 0]

what will you take for it pal im not messin i like it

[seffa 0]

have you sold it