Aaron Proffitt 142 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 STRANGE HOW IT'S ILLEGAL TO DOCK THE END OF A DOGS TAIL YET A RABBI CAN CUT THE FORESKIN OF A JEWISH BABY BOY??? WHICH DO YOU THINK IS MORE BARBARIC?? Dunno....all I know is my dogs are my property.If I want to pierce their ears and tatoo sleeves on 'em; that's my right. Quote Link to post
Toka 10 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) its all daft...as long as it aint done for cosmetic reasons [seen firsthand the damage done to non docked dog tail regularly worked to thick cover] spoke to our vets the other day...he wouldnt do it, the argument of risk assessment came up and that we should npt work them if having to remove and appendage [tail] was a possible result...we both agreed that would probably never happen [stopping working our dogs!!] he did say thouhg that the main reason was getting struck off by the royal college of vets if they didnt do something right. there was a trainee vet there as well [city bred] who saif that none of her vets class said they would ever perform a docking [seems we will have to start encouraging country folk into the profession]. but they both said it was even stranger that dew claw removal is still done with no qualms by almost every vet...they thought that this will soon also be outlawed!!! ATB p.s. does no one want to buy my shotgun???? Edited February 20, 2010 by Toka Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) now im going to cause trouble why dockem? iv got one docked on not and makes no difference just looks nice.. im sick of comments saying that aint no working dog its got a tail.. they were never docked in years gone by just by fashion followers....... now here come the comments by all the REAL DOG men... ha ha ha Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck? No its bloody not! Any more than YOUR ear isnt a handle for dragging you about! SO here we are again your comment no its bloody not, , OK lets just say you terrier to ground you have dug to it its locked on , so you need to despatch humanly the quarry being a pheasant killing fox, 1 do you call come on patch come patch theirs a good fellow come to daddy 2 put your hand in a stroke the good little boy and caress him out of the hole 3 ask Mr fox to let go while you get you darling little terrier out of the way so you despatch mr fox 4 take hold of a docked tail standing pert to hold and pull your terrier out of harms. WAY THEN DESPATCH HUMANLY THIS LAW AS IS THE HUNTING ACT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AT WORKING BREEDS BY LACS WITH THE BACKING OF A MINORTY OF ANTI VETS , TERRIERS ARE NOT DOCKED FOR FASHION BUT FOR THE PRACTICAL REMOVEL FROM THE GROUND, A SHORT TAIL IS LESS OF A PROBLEM THAN A UNDOCKED IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY , FOOOOOK OFF AND JOIN LACS WERE YOU BELONG PLEASE READ -The tail is not the way to draw a dog, never has and never will be.You will end up causing spinal damage and thats game over .The way to draw a dog is by both back legs .Not one, but both held together .Ease the dog out then scruff .Any other way is asking for trouble . I think you will find both methords of removing a terrier , carry risks the tail although connected to the spine is not the most risky legs even when held together the risk of hip displacement is a concern i asked a pro field sports vet before i put this on both methods used with caution till the scuff is reached , and as my souce said if the quarry has a face grip pulling is not recommended carefull what we reveal on here eh Edited February 20, 2010 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post
phantomflanflinger 24 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 now im going to cause trouble why dockem? iv got one docked on not and makes no difference just looks nice.. im sick of comments saying that aint no working dog its got a tail.. they were never docked in years gone by just by fashion followers....... now here come the comments by all the REAL DOG men... ha ha ha Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck? No its bloody not! Any more than YOUR ear isnt a handle for dragging you about! SO here we are again your comment no its bloody not, , OK lets just say you terrier to ground you have dug to it its locked on , so you need to despatch humanly the quarry being a pheasant killing fox, 1 do you call come on patch come patch theirs a good fellow come to daddy 2 put your hand in a stroke the good little boy and caress him out of the hole 3 ask Mr fox to let go while you get you darling little terrier out of the way so you despatch mr fox 4 take hold of a docked tail standing pert to hold and pull your terrier out of harms. WAY THEN DESPATCH HUMANLY THIS LAW AS IS THE HUNTING ACT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AT WORKING BREEDS BY LACS WITH THE BACKING OF A MINORTY OF ANTI VETS , TERRIERS ARE NOT DOCKED FOR FASHION BUT FOR THE PRACTICAL REMOVEL FROM THE GROUND, A SHORT TAIL IS LESS OF A PROBLEM THAN A UNDOCKED IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY , FOOOOOK OFF AND JOIN LACS WERE YOU BELONG Jion lacs where i belong you gobby mothers c**t?! Iv been a shooting and dog man all my life! I suggest you find out who your talking to before spouting off! could not give a flying f**k who you are , if the cap fits wear it. Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 now im going to cause trouble why dockem? iv got one docked on not and makes no difference just looks nice.. im sick of comments saying that aint no working dog its got a tail.. they were never docked in years gone by just by fashion followers....... now here come the comments by all the REAL DOG men... ha ha ha He may be a field sports vet but he is no terrierman and no doubt about that .Pulling a tail is not right .I have seen several dogs lives cut short by doing this but no harm with the leg pulling .Theory is one thing ,expe Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck? No its bloody not! Any more than YOUR ear isnt a handle for dragging you about! SO here we are again your comment no its bloody not, , OK lets just say you terrier to ground you have dug to it its locked on , so you need to despatch humanly the quarry being a pheasant killing fox, 1 do you call come on patch come patch theirs a good fellow come to daddy 2 put your hand in a stroke the good little boy and caress him out of the hole 3 ask Mr fox to let go while you get you darling little terrier out of the way so you despatch mr fox 4 take hold of a docked tail standing pert to hold and pull your terrier out of harms. WAY THEN DESPATCH HUMANLY THIS LAW AS IS THE HUNTING ACT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AT WORKING BREEDS BY LACS WITH THE BACKING OF A MINORTY OF ANTI VETS , TERRIERS ARE NOT DOCKED FOR FASHION BUT FOR THE PRACTICAL REMOVEL FROM THE GROUND, A SHORT TAIL IS LESS OF A PROBLEM THAN A UNDOCKED IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY , FOOOOOK OFF AND JOIN LACS WERE YOU BELONG PLEASE READ -The tail is not the way to draw a dog, never has and never will be.You will end up causing spinal damage and thats game over .The way to draw a dog is by both back legs .Not one, but both held together .Ease the dog out then scruff .Any other way is asking for trouble . I think you will find both methords of removing a terrier , carry risks the tail although connected to the spine is not the most risky legs even when held together the risk of hip displacement is a concern i asked a pro field sports vet before i put this on both methods used with caution till the scuff is reached , and as my souce said if the quarry has a face grip pulling is not recommended carefull what we reveal on here eh He may be a field sports vet but he is no terrierman and no doubt about that .Pulling a tail is not right .I have seen several dogs lives cut short by doing this but no harm with the leg pulling .Theory is one thing ,experience is another and speaks volumes Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck?..............NO ITS NOT . [/quote Quote Link to post
FightTheBan 1,147 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Pulling a dogs tail can cause irrepairable damage as it is connected to the dogs spinal cord. Terriers should not be 'pulled' when at quarry anyway as this has assosciated risks in itself without saying too much. FTB Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 now im going to cause trouble why dockem? iv got one docked on not and makes no difference just looks nice.. im sick of comments saying that aint no working dog its got a tail.. they were never docked in years gone by just by fashion followers....... now here come the comments by all the REAL DOG men... ha ha ha He may be a field sports vet but he is no terrierman and no doubt about that .Pulling a tail is not right .I have seen several dogs lives cut short by doing this but no harm with the leg pulling .Theory is one thing ,expe Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck? No its bloody not! Any more than YOUR ear isnt a handle for dragging you about! SO here we are again your comment no its bloody not, , OK lets just say you terrier to ground you have dug to it its locked on , so you need to despatch humanly the quarry being a pheasant killing fox, 1 do you call come on patch come patch theirs a good fellow come to daddy 2 put your hand in a stroke the good little boy and caress him out of the hole 3 ask Mr fox to let go while you get you darling little terrier out of the way so you despatch mr fox 4 take hold of a docked tail standing pert to hold and pull your terrier out of harms. WAY THEN DESPATCH HUMANLY THIS LAW AS IS THE HUNTING ACT IS A DIRECT ATTACK AT WORKING BREEDS BY LACS WITH THE BACKING OF A MINORTY OF ANTI VETS , TERRIERS ARE NOT DOCKED FOR FASHION BUT FOR THE PRACTICAL REMOVEL FROM THE GROUND, A SHORT TAIL IS LESS OF A PROBLEM THAN A UNDOCKED IF I NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY , FOOOOOK OFF AND JOIN LACS WERE YOU BELONG PLEASE READ -The tail is not the way to draw a dog, never has and never will be.You will end up causing spinal damage and thats game over .The way to draw a dog is by both back legs .Not one, but both held together .Ease the dog out then scruff .Any other way is asking for trouble . I think you will find both methords of removing a terrier , carry risks the tail although connected to the spine is not the most risky legs even when held together the risk of hip displacement is a concern i asked a pro field sports vet before i put this on both methods used with caution till the scuff is reached , and as my souce said if the quarry has a face grip pulling is not recommended carefull what we reveal on here eh He may be a field sports vet but he is no terrierman and no doubt about that .Pulling a tail is not right .I have seen several dogs lives cut short by doing this but no harm with the leg pulling .Theory is one thing ,experience is another and speaks volumes Isn't the tail so you can pull them by it too, if stuck?..............NO ITS NOT . [/quote just for the record he is a terrier man oh and retired vet with a long history in putting terriers back together , theirs experience and theirs experience, but you having the title FOXDROPER MUST BE VASTLY MORE EXPERIENCED AND THE 70 YEAR OLD EX VET KNOWS f**k ALL , Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) , He may be a field sports vet but he is no terrierman and no doubt about that .Pulling a tail is not right .I have seen several dogs lives cut short by doing this but no harm with the leg pulling .Theory is one thing ,experience is another and speaks volumes, HANG ON A MOMENT YOU HAVE SEEN SEVERAL TERRIERS LIVES CUT SHORT BY YANKING THERE TAIL AND DRAGGING THEM OUT OF A SITUATION , I AIN'T SEEN ONE , SO YOU STOOD THERE AND WATCHED THEM DO THIS AND SAID NOTHING YET COME ON HERE PROCLAIMING YOU VAST EXPERIENCE, THINK ILL STICK TO ASKING THE EX NATIONAL HUNT VET , OH AND NEVER EVER YANK OR PULL A TERRIER BY ITS LEGS OR TAIL ,DIG TO ITS SIDE TO EXPOSE ITS HEAD CAREFULLY WAY UP THE SITUATION AND CARRY OUT WHAT NEEDED BUT YOU ALL KNOW THAT ANY WAY , Edited February 22, 2010 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 PLEASE READ , used with caution till the scuff is reached , and as my souce said if the quarry has a face grip pulling is not recommended carefull what we reveal on here eh IS THIS THE BIT YOU COULD NOT UNDERSTAND (PULLING IS NOT RECOMMENDED) Quote Link to post
digger1 0 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 hi my jack russel bixxh is pregnant and i wont to dock the tails of the pups .i just wondered if it ilegal . the last litter i never and it toke 2 weeks to get rid but had about 30 fone call asking if there tails were docked. advice plz ............ its illegal for u to do it ,but only if you get caught Quote Link to post
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