What to put over my bitch?

[hunter-girl 10]

Have you ever thought of putting an old fashion type working lurcher over her....bred years and years ago to take all quarry (pre ban) and be light enough to cover the ground and jump almost anything with guts of steel.

 

Fantastic to train and very loyal to their owner??

 

I have one of these and he has very much proven himself, anyone that works with me and him will tell you the same. he was bred for a purpose and serves it perfectly.

 

He is a Belgium Shepherd x colie/grey. 25 tts and weights 24kg.

 

I can show you pictures of him working or arrange for you to see him in action.

 

I just wanted to add to this with a few quotes about the breed:-

 

"Like all Belgian Shepherds, the Tervuren is a medium-sized, square-proportioned dog in the sheepdog family".

"Belgians were called Belgian Sheepdog"

"Tervurens are loyal and form strong bonds with their family"

"Their appearance projects alertness and elegance. The breed is known for its loyalty and versatility. Those who own them, report being charmed by their intelligence, trainability, and, perhaps most of all, their sense of humor. They excel in many kinds of activities"

"Tervurens are highly energetic, intelligent dogs"

"bred primarily as a working dog"

"Well-raised and trained Malinois are usually active, friendly, protective[6] and hard-working. Many have excessively high prey drive"

"These are large, strong dogs"

"They are known as being very easy to obedience train, due to their high drive for rewards!"

 

All of this makes them a cracking cross for a lurcher.

[hedz31 1,308]

Nice typey looking bitch pal if it was me i would try to keep the same mix instead of adding more into the mix, i would go for a nice racey 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie type lurcher but i think a greyhound/whippet would be my second choice if i couldnt get hold of a decent 3/4 cross

[Wild_and_Irish 11]

Why not more of the same? If a collie blooded lurcher gets the job done stick with it.

[poacher3161 1,766]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

[hedz31 1,308]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

[poacher3161 1,766]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

[hunter-girl 10]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

 

So what about my dog? he is Belgium cross with a 3/4 greyhound, 1/4 collie.

[hedz31 1,308]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

Ah right i thought you were refering to any collie cross lurcher i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody to a 5/8th 3/8th bred dog am still not a fan of breeding any cross to any cross even if it is worker to worker though, i prefer keeping the blood the same and if i want to make a line faster or smaller breed in the type of cross accordingly ie more or less sight hound or base blood what line of lurcher/running dog do you run or breed dell do you find it difficult getting dogs to throw true to type breeding bitza to bitza its something ive never done

Regards Hedz

[hunter-girl 10]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

Ah right i thought you were refering to any collie cross lurcher i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody to a 5/8th 3/8th bred dog am still not a fan of breeding any cross to any cross even if it is worker to worker though, i prefer keeping the blood the same and if i want to make a line faster or smaller breed in the type of cross accordingly ie more or less sight hound or base blood what line of lurcher/running dog do you run or breed dell do you find it difficult getting dogs to throw true to type breeding bitza to bitza its something ive never done

Regards Hedz

 

And what exactly do you mean by "i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody"

Have any of you seen one of these dogs work?

I would like to know how you can form an opinion like that when you havent?

 

I have had 5 of these and all have been exceptional with no faults what so ever. i now have a collie, grey, 1/8th bull and she is hyper as hell at 7 months old, but i plan on breeding the 2 together when she is older and has proved herself.

[poacher3161 1,766]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

Ah right i thought you were refering to any collie cross lurcher i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody to a 5/8th 3/8th bred dog am still not a fan of breeding any cross to any cross even if it is worker to worker though, i prefer keeping the blood the same and if i want to make a line faster or smaller breed in the type of cross accordingly ie more or less sight hound or base blood what line of lurcher/running dog do you run or breed dell do you find it difficult getting dogs to throw true to type breeding bitza to bitza its something ive never done

Regards Hedz

It boils down to how much base blood is in the lurcher i can only go on my exsperience with a line i kept for nearly 30 years wich were prodominately a mix of collie/grey/beddy/grey wich i bred together on a couple of occasions the resulting pups being good lurchers but some just lacked hight and speed i then went back to grey/saluki and was lucky enough to produce a dog with all the attributes of the breeds that went in her.My old bitch i have is out of the caithness dogs supposedly a mix of beddy/grey/whippet and a noted lamp dog of peddigree unknown put back to the well known saluki hybred the beast that decended from merlin and eve and has been quite a good bitch.My other lurcher is a 12 month old grey/beddy x non ped whippet and wat i would not give for her to have a touch of collie in her.atb dell

[hedz31 1,308]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

Ah right i thought you were refering to any collie cross lurcher i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody to a 5/8th 3/8th bred dog am still not a fan of breeding any cross to any cross even if it is worker to worker though, i prefer keeping the blood the same and if i want to make a line faster or smaller breed in the type of cross accordingly ie more or less sight hound or base blood what line of lurcher/running dog do you run or breed dell do you find it difficult getting dogs to throw true to type breeding bitza to bitza its something ive never done

Regards Hedz

 

And what exactly do you mean by "i agree a collie/grey/belgian shep may throw cloody"

Have any of you seen one of these dogs work?

I would like to know how you can form an opinion like that when you havent?

 

I have had 5 of these and all have been exceptional with no faults what so ever. i now have a collie, grey, 1/8th bull and she is hyper as hell at 7 months old, but i plan on breeding the 2 together when she is older and has proved herself.

cloddy it means heavy i was refering to it may throw heavy when put to 5/8ths 3/8ths bitch and your wrong i have seen a similar cross to this run and my father has belgian shepards has done as long as i can remember

[hedz31 1,308]

Hi peeps...As the title says i'm looking to breed my bitch,she's coming up to 6 now she's 5/8 Greyhound 3/8 Collie and stands 23tts.She's only ever been used for lamping and ferreting has will the pup be that i keep from the planned mating.I was thinking of a whippet/greyhound to put over her...though i would be open to other suggestions.Does anybody know of any good whippet/greyhounds at stud preferably in south wales area though would travel for the right dog...yis John

 

put a 3/4 grey 1/4 to her

Exactly keano

[poacher3161 1,766]

for a ferreting and lamping do I would put fence hoppers beddy grey over her

Totally agree a good choice.Be carefull about putting a collie saturated lurcher over her as you could loose speed and end up with clody dogs.atb dell

Dont get that one pal how would a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie racey type produce a cloddy dog why add alsorts into a mix of dog and make bitzas thats where the problems come from in breeding because down the line the pups can throw to different blood in the mix and you struggle to get dogs to throw to type you could add say bedlington blood to that mix then when a pup from that mix is older and ready to breed then whats it going to be put to maybe a saluki hybred and so on its just my opinion but i am a firm fan of when breeding lurcher to lurcher of keeping the same mix to the same mix

I was not so much refering to a 3 quarter greyhound more towards the collie/grey/belgian sheperd.You may be a fan of keeping the same mix in a lurcher to lurcher bred dog but imho gained through exspeiriance the best lurchers are produced by mixing different crosses as this is a well known fact only one person who denied that was plummer and we all know how wrong he was.atb dell

 

So what about my dog? he is Belgium cross with a 3/4 greyhound, 1/4 collie.

Its only my opinion but i dont think it would benifit being bred to a lurcher with a fair amount of base blood but i do tend to form my opinions baised on the land i hunt were the rabbits are like shit of a shovel and it takes a good sharp pacy clever dog just to put a few in the bag even my beddy hybred out of a raceing champion struggels to catch them even though shes still learning i carnt see her being any good for the area i work my dogs in.atb dell

[hunter-girl 10]

oh so you do both know a bit about the breed yet still cant admit they are a good dog.

He has lamped all over the country and done well everywhere he has been but hey maybe im just full of shit and being a woman i probably know nothing

 

[hedz31 1,308]

to be honest the post is about a lad trying to get some views on a cross to put across his bitch not what a world beater your heavy base blooded lurcher is yes i know a little about belgian shepard dogs as my father has kept them since i was a young lad they are good guard dogs very obdient so bloody what, if they were that good a cross why hasnt every one got them i tell you why because there is already better tried and tested dogs out there and they throw to heavy for what most people want i have not saw your paticular cross it was a 1st cross begian shepard/greyhound and it was a strong dog granted but it was far from a world beater and lacked the pace and zip to be anything but an average catch dog ive saw alot more suited half crosses that did the job a hell of alot better and your dogs have more base blood in them so i am guessing would be heavier again sorry i am not a huge fan of your cross and you have took offence because i am not,i am sure your dogs are fantastic for you but there not gonna be every ones first choice are they being as there is already alot more useful blood out there to use for lurchers