wheaton greyhound picks

[stabba 10,745]

I think that some of the colours may come from the bull in the Wheatens.....

Great thread guys...JD

Explain please

[stormyboy 1,352]

My rough wheaten x bitch produced a smooth dog with a head like a bucket,that would have passed for a first x bull. This was out of a first x deerhound x greyhound dog. The others were broken and rough coated. Game as hell too.

[J Darcy 5,871]

I think that some of the colours may come from the bull in the Wheatens.....

Great thread guys...JD

Explain please

 

Well, forgive me if i am mistaken, but i was always under the impression that wheatens all have a dash of bull in them. The Wheaten Terrier had a very small gene pool and i was told by the man who had kept the Wheaten alive in the years when they were not as popular, that they had to put bull into them or they would have all gotten too close. That is why there are sometimes smooth coated progeny in first cross wheaten/greyhound litters.

That is how i understand it.....

[stabba 10,745]

Personally i have never seen a genuine firstx born smooth.... but i am by no means a wheaton man... obviously ive seen second gen first x born smooth...i also have heard that bull blood was introduced to stop the lines gettin too close... but nearly every firstx wheaton i have seen has had a big strong head... surely it cant all be down to the miniscule amount of bull blood still in the mix... atb stabba

[bobhunter 1]

ive heard a lot about the weaton x ive never seen one work so i cant comment on them but people say there are so game as the bullx would you guys that work them agree.

Edited February 6, 2010 by bobhunter

[hedz31 1,308]

I have to agree with stabba the tiny amount of bull blood cant account for much on the wheaten side part of things, ive had wheaten crosses and wheaten/bull/greyhounds for quite a while and have had smooth coats in litters and on the wheaten cross side ive always thought that the smooth coat simply comes from the greyhound, ive found the fawn rough coat throws more in the 5/8 3/8 crosses

[J Darcy 5,871]

Personally i have never seen a genuine firstx born smooth.... but i am by no means a wheaton man... obviously ive seen second gen first x born smooth...i also have heard that bull blood was introduced to stop the lines gettin too close... but nearly every firstx wheaton i have seen has had a big strong head... surely it cant all be down to the miniscule amount of bull blood still in the mix... atb stabba

 

I have seen a first cross that was smooth, but i do know its rare. I did question the dog as i did not believe it to be true at the time, but indeed, it was.

I never mentioned the size of the head, i was only refering to the coat of the progeny. I beleive that there is alot more bull in Wheatens than what some may think. If there wasn't a fair amount of bull then i do not think any smooth or coloured dogs would come out of the Wheaten/Greyhound mating.

 

I like to think of it on a parallel with Bedlington/Greyhounds. The rough coat and "blue" colour always seems to be dominant on such a cross.

 

I do not think many realise just how close the Wheaten came to being extinct, thankfully there were a few lads that still kept loyal to the Wheatens when the Bulls rose in popularity. That said, they had to do what they had to do, and maybe there are no Wheatens left that do not have bull in their make-up. The rough coated, fawn Wheaten is a "type" and not an exact breed IMO....But This is only speculation on my part and i will stand corrected........JD

[barry lurcher 27]

thats a cracker mate good body tone all the very best with it

[Cleanspade 3,322]

there is a fair bit of bull in the wheaten that my first cross came off. it shows in the pic i have of the sire it was parr lines i'm told and the bull was J lines. if that means anything to the more clued up. you have to give credit to the lads that have stuck by and kept faith with these dogs

[whin 463]

he will learn or not last i l.ike the wheaton nice type you have there

[marky r 25]

stabba you seen the size of the heads on pure wheatons there a fair size so they proably pass it on when put to a greyhound a friend put his wheaton dog to grey bitch all the pups ended up with fair size heads.

[Guest hunterside]

i know of parr lines but is there any wheatens going back to gorman lines or are these extinct.

[griffo 28]

i think before people think that the colours came from bull blood they should look at the obvious and thats the greyhound blood which, colours many second generation crosses have? cheers

Edited February 8, 2010 by griffo

[J Darcy 5,871]

Griffo like it or not there is a huge chance there will be bull in that dog.

It is highly unlikely that you have got Wheaten blood without bull in.

[Taffybull 48]

Just got off the phone to a old fella in ire whos very "clued-up" on the wheatons, and he pretty much said to me what JD said in one of his post. With out a shadow of a doubt, he said that there WILL be bull blood if you traced back.

Edited February 7, 2010 by Taffybull