where are people using their dogs?

[ferreter.al 22]

real lurchermen (or women) for the most part keep to themselves, they work hard training their dogs, getting and keeping permission and don't need to display pics of their deeds. theres also too many individuals (cant use the words lurchermen or hunters) willing to steal ground, dogs or ferrets

never seen a bull cross that could catch a good winter daytime hare,and if it did by some misfortune;the hare running into something:it would be eaten before you could get to it,but all the butch tyro hunters will all be off to the fens now you've told them where they are,bull crosses are not running dogs,they're fighting dogs

 

 

i disagree! ive seen plenty of well bred bull x's retireve shot hares! week in week out! on proper hare ground

 

 

wiralcountryman...i will not be drawn into admitting that my dog will kill hares with antis on this forum,use your f*kin brain you prick,hares have to be "shot and retrived" these days as the law only permits that!dont slag dogs or there owners off because you sound like you actuall know nothin! cheers!

[wirral countryman 2,110]

I never thought bull/cross owners could be so touchy about their dogs,just read your pm al,for everyone else we all keep the cross we like,I have kept and tested to the limit every cross you can name in the my 51yrs and it is my opinion that there is no place for it in a working lurcher,the greyhound already has bull in its history,and it was kept to a small percentage for a reason,I realise the benefits it gave the breed,stamina,drive and aggression to name but a few.I only ever owned a bull/whippet/greyhound 20yrs ago it would catch rabbits and then eat them whole if it could before I could get to it,it never caught a hare,the only use it had was at the end of a dig,I bought it as a three year old with these faults thinking I could get it fit and make a reasonable dog out of it,sold him to some digging lads who were made up with him.too much muscle all over slows a dog down,read the history of bulls,it wasn't given that head to retrieve hares,as for the antis out there,all these things are obviously pre-ban.If you live your life with a bull/cross I hope you like the dark as your dogs will be that marked up you will have no option but to go out in the dark,some dogs with a small amount of bull may do very well,but I'll never see one to find out,not my type.I don't live my life sneaking round hiding from antis,never altered my style of hunting for forty odd yrs,not going to start now,life is for hunting not hiding,going by the aggressive style of your post you have the right dog for your disposition,I don't live my life to please you or anyone else,I really don't give a sh*t. ps:if you can't read the big words ask your five year daughter to read it out loud for you.

[derbypoacher 6]

wirrel countryman what dogs do you like, you hate whippets and bullcrosses and it seems its all down to your own bad experiences. not all dogs will be like the ones you have owned or seen. each to there own and all that . why do you insist on spoiling threads? if you have nothing constructive to say keep it to yourself mate why not start a topic about what you work? im sure people will have some constructive critasisum for you .

[watchman 256]

I never thought bull/cross owners could be so touchy about their dogs,just read your pm al,for everyone else we all keep the cross we like,I have kept and tested to the limit every cross you can name in the my 51yrs and it is my opinion that there is no place for it in a working lurcher,the greyhound already has bull in its history,and it was kept to a small percentage for a reason,I realise the benefits it gave the breed,stamina,drive and aggression to name but a few.I only ever owned a bull/whippet/greyhound 20yrs ago it would catch rabbits and then eat them whole if it could before I could get to it,it never caught a hare,the only use it had was at the end of a dig,I bought it as a three year old with these faults thinking I could get it fit and make a reasonable dog out of it,sold him to some digging lads who were made up with him.too much muscle all over slows a dog down,read the history of bulls,it wasn't given that head to retrieve hares,as for the antis out there,all these things are obviously pre-ban.If you live your life with a bull/cross I hope you like the dark as your dogs will be that marked up you will have no option but to go out in the dark,some dogs with a small amount of bull may do very well,but I'll never see one to find out,not my type.I don't live my life sneaking round hiding from antis,never altered my style of hunting for forty odd yrs,not going to start now,life is for hunting not hiding,going by the aggressive style of your post you have the right dog for your disposition,I don't live my life to please you or anyone else,I really don't give a sh*t. ps:if you can't read the big words ask your five year daughter to read it out loud for you.

just from my own experiences mate i think you have some valid points,dress code for a bullx owner is not one of them,never been fit enough to wear a track suit lol,agree it adds stamina and drive,but i to have recently bagan to feel that in todays society they are loseing their place as a working lurcher in the field,now that the ban is in place,its all to easy to say f**k the ban but owning a scarred face killing machine is asking for trouble and does attract unwanted attention,i have only ever lamped with my dogs,so i dont in any way shape or form consider myself as a know all dog man,iv allways admired the coursing lads and the stuff they produce its just not my thing,lamping fits my life style,work long hours so night time is when im out on my own doing what i love doing,so that fits in with your"i hope you like the dark "comment.on the rare occasion iv gone for a quick daytime mooch and the dogs have kicked up a hare they have never caught it,not saying others havnt just mine,shit dogs perhaps,no i say just not the right dogs for that particular job,i for one have never been a touchy bullx owner and to be honest my dog now will be the last bullx i have,bringing on a 3/4grey 1/4 collie pup for next year which will be my all round rabbiting dog and ferreting partner,my dogs in the past have allways retrieved bunnies and never eaten them,pr-ban done charlie for fun,they have been trained to a suitable standard for me and i for one have found them relatively easy to train,dont forget this is only me im talking about and the bullx era in my kennels is coming to an end,i could not be prosecuted for illegal actvity as im getting the age i feel iv got to much to lose personaly,but have the utmost respect for those that continue to hunt their chosen quarry,just to add only been running bullx for fifteen years compared to some of you lads iv not even started in the game yet,but feel with all my hard work and mistakes iv made along the way entitle me to my own opinion cheers rob

[Guest DogFaceKillah]

anti bull x campaign!

 

wirralcountry man, come see mine maybe ull change your mind i can lamp him off te lead and will retieve live back to hand without a tooth mark in bunnys!

 

the fact is a bull x is a jack of all trades! and masters at some! lol

Edited February 3, 2010 by DogFaceKillah

[ferreter.al 22]

well said.i spoke to this guy over pm and although he comes across as opinionated he dont seem to bad as he thinks i come across as aggressive...im not,i didnt buy my dog with looking "hard" or anything else.if im honest i was looking for a collie grey but couldnt afford it and then someone offered me my bullx for free so i took a punt and it payed off.there is an old boy in his late 60's-70s and he has got a belter of a bullx that slays hares,im not even sure he is aware of the ban and didnt even know how the dog was bread.he just bought it off some travelling lads and he only uses it for daytime so as i said in my pm to this chap.each to their own

[wirral countryman 2,110]

wirrel countryman what dogs do you like, you hate whippets and bullcrosses and it seems its all down to your own bad experiences. not all dogs will be like the ones you have owned or seen. each to there own and all that . why do you insist on spoiling threads? if you have nothing constructive to say keep it to yourself mate why not start a topic about what you work? im sure people will have some constructive critasisum for you .

I don't hate whippets,in fact you agreed with most the things I said in your last post on mb's ,I don't hate any running dog,but I do favour some over other's,I have'nt heard anyone on hear extolling the virtue's of bull/crosses other than what we all know their good at,may I say it is you that obviously has a problem with my repost's,not my knowledge gained through getting out there everyday doing what I love best.I do have one running at the moment and I am surprised you haven't been on there to have a go,if you wish to engage in a sensible conversation pm me and I'll speak to you,my knowledge has been hard gained by 51yrs of getting out there and doing it and meeting people that you would only have read about,not listening to bar room tales.I don't suggest for one minute my opinion is the right one,but it is mine,not what my mates think or want to hear

[wirral countryman 2,110]

I never thought bull/cross owners could be so touchy about their dogs,just read your pm al,for everyone else we all keep the cross we like,I have kept and tested to the limit every cross you can name in the my 51yrs and it is my opinion that there is no place for it in a working lurcher,the greyhound already has bull in its history,and it was kept to a small percentage for a reason,I realise the benefits it gave the breed,stamina,drive and aggression to name but a few.I only ever owned a bull/whippet/greyhound 20yrs ago it would catch rabbits and then eat them whole if it could before I could get to it,it never caught a hare,the only use it had was at the end of a dig,I bought it as a three year old with these faults thinking I could get it fit and make a reasonable dog out of it,sold him to some digging lads who were made up with him.too much muscle all over slows a dog down,read the history of bulls,it wasn't given that head to retrieve hares,as for the antis out there,all these things are obviously pre-ban.If you live your life with a bull/cross I hope you like the dark as your dogs will be that marked up you will have no option but to go out in the dark,some dogs with a small amount of bull may do very well,but I'll never see one to find out,not my type.I don't live my life sneaking round hiding from antis,never altered my style of hunting for forty odd yrs,not going to start now,life is for hunting not hiding,going by the aggressive style of your post you have the right dog for your disposition,I don't live my life to please you or anyone else,I really don't give a sh*t. ps:if you can't read the big words ask your five year daughter to read it out loud for you.

just from my own experiences mate i think you have some valid points,dress code for a bullx owner is not one of them,never been fit enough to wear a track suit lol,agree it adds stamina and drive,but i to have recently bagan to feel that in todays society they are loseing their place as a working lurcher in the field,now that the ban is in place,its all to easy to say f**k the ban but owning a scarred face killing machine is asking for trouble and does attract unwanted attention,i have only ever lamped with my dogs,so i dont in any way shape or form consider myself as a know all dog man,iv allways admired the coursing lads and the stuff they produce its just not my thing,lamping fits my life style,work long hours so night time is when im out on my own doing what i love doing,so that fits in with your"i hope you like the dark "comment.on the rare occasion iv gone for a quick daytime mooch and the dogs have kicked up a hare they have never caught it,not saying others havnt just mine,shit dogs perhaps,no i say just not the right dogs for that particular job,i for one have never been a touchy bullx owner and to be honest my dog now will be the last bullx i have,bringing on a 3/4grey 1/4 collie pup for next year which will be my all round rabbiting dog and ferreting partner,my dogs in the past have allways retrieved bunnies and never eaten them,pr-ban done charlie for fun,they have been trained to a suitable standard for me and i for one have found them relatively easy to train,dont forget this is only me im talking about and the bullx era in my kennels is coming to an end,i could not be prosecuted for illegal actvity as im getting the age i feel iv got to much to lose personaly,but have the utmost respect for those that continue to hunt their chosen quarry,just to add only been running bullx for fifteen years compared to some of you lads iv not even started in the game yet,but feel with all my hard work and mistakes iv made along the way entitle me to my own opinion cheers rob

good honest post watchman

[inan 841]

real lurchermen (or women) for the most part keep to themselves, they work hard training their dogs, getting and keeping permission and don't need to display pics of their deeds. theres also too many individuals (cant use the words lurchermen or hunters) willing to steal ground, dogs or ferrets

never seen a bull cross that could catch a good winter daytime hare,and if it did by some misfortune;the hare running into something:it would be eaten before you could get to it,but all the butch tyro hunters will all be off to the fens now you've told them where they are,bull crosses are not running dogs,they're fighting dogs

 

 

i disagree! ive seen plenty of well bred bull x's retireve shot hares! week in week out! on proper hare ground

I think every one should keep the type of dogs they like.

Having said that I don't recall ANY bull x's winning the Forley Cup, so can only asume that the die hard coursing men ,preban ,did NOT think it a desirable addition to their bloodlines.

I haven't seen hundreds of bullx's on hares pre ban ,of those I have watched ,some are faster than they look ,but do not appear to turn that well, possibly due to overloaded shoulders.I know there are exceptions to every rule,I am talking in general terms.

I would expect bull x's to come into their own on "heavier quarry".

Those dogs you have seen retreive hares on proper hare ground , were the hares at a distance, or, retrieved close up?

[Guest DogFaceKillah]

both!

[wirral countryman 2,110]

anti bull x campaign!

 

wirralcountry man, come see mine maybe ull change your mind i can lamp him off te lead and will retieve live back to hand without a tooth mark in bunnys!

 

the fact is a bull x is a jack of all trades! and masters at some! lol

look forward to the education,we can all change our mind,been proved wrong lots of times,never to old to learn,I'll pm you with the invitation ,only trouble is I am gonna have to blindfold you to my permission as your reputation precedes you,as for the rabbits you've been catching,most of them are mine anyway.I like the crack about the hares thing before,and the anti-bull campaign,we might have more in common than first thought,look forward to my first lesson

[wirral countryman 2,110]

real lurchermen (or women) for the most part keep to themselves, they work hard training their dogs, getting and keeping permission and don't need to display pics of their deeds. theres also too many individuals (cant use the words lurchermen or hunters) willing to steal ground, dogs or ferrets

never seen a bull cross that could catch a good winter daytime hare,and if it did by some misfortune;the hare running into something:it would be eaten before you could get to it,but all the butch tyro hunters will all be off to the fens now you've told them where they are,bull crosses are not running dogs,they're fighting dogs

 

 

i disagree! ive seen plenty of well bred bull x's retireve shot hares! week in week out! on proper hare ground

I think every one should keep the type of dogs they like.

Having said that I don't recall ANY bull x's winning the Forley Cup, so can only asume that the die hard coursing men ,preban ,did NOT think it a desirable addition to their bloodlines.

I haven't seen hundreds of bullx's on hares pre ban ,of those I have watched ,some are faster than they look ,but do not appear to turn that well, possibly due to overloaded shoulders.I know there are exceptions to every rule,I am talking in general terms.

I would expect bull x's to come into their own on "heavier quarry".

Those dogs you have seen retreive hares on proper hare ground , were the hares at a distance, or, retrieved close up?

another decent educated post,that about cover's it

[shagydog 3]

you obv avent seen many bullxs run have you pal a goood qtr bull will catch them allday and retreive and as for fighting bull xs haha y and does wat you wer say who you are NO wat do you were wirralman

[shagydog 3]

both!

quite funny him anit he dfk we should take im out wid da blue bullit not in2 not blindfolds tho ha

[littletimmy 71]

Since when is a bull x judged on it ability to catch hares? Its not bred for it. They can and will catch hares. but anyone who believes your typical bull x can be compared to a coursing dog in relation to hares is away with the fearies. But then you don't buy a bull x with the intention of having an A1 coursing dog (unless your a daft prick like 90% of this forum.) Swop it around and compare the typical bull x with the typical coursing dog on the bull x's quarry and 90% of the time the bull bred dog is going to shine. Exceptions to the rule in both cases of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for bull x's been fighters, BULL SHIT. I think ive came across three aggressive bull xs in all the ones ive seen. Two owned by the same person. And to be honest, they wernt well bred bull x's. I've got a bullx and a colie x in my kennel, both 100% with dogs. Share the same bowl. The bull xs is hard on his quarry but if another dog shows him aggression he will turn away and do everything in his power to get away from the situation. And they are aggressive dogs?

 

And this dog can catch everything execpt for a rabbit. But then he did not come to my kennel to catch rabbits!