Too Fast..possible or not,

[chartpolski 24,131]

I like to have a day at the Whippet racing on a saturday, and standing at the scratch mark and looking at the finish line is 150 yds, it looks a lot farther than the 150 yd slips some lads give on the field, LOL !!

 

Cheers.

[inan 841]

Ya, our coyote courses are between 30 seconds and 2 minutes.

That surprises me Dan ,I would have thought they were much longer,as I beleive the coyote can stay quite well.Ive learned something new.

 

Inan, your'e a coursing man..... surley you know that 2 minutes in the mind is a lot different from 2 minutes on the clock !

 

Cheers.

Point taken! How many times have I heard someone say "that must have been about 4/5 mins"? Estimations of the duration of a course are often like estimations of the length of a slip, very subjective,and dependant on who is doing it!

I would not attempt to engage Miles in a debate on

running dogs ,unless I wanted to learn something,he knows his stuff!

 

Probably the first time we've agreed, Inan !!

 

Cheers.

We probably have more common ground than we think,I'm not as up my own arse as some think, but then ,if I am ,its better than being up some one else's.

[Guest 2GOOD]

thank you dan 2GOOD you stand corrected

disagree ,you say dogs cant learn to be clever \i say they can ,and run how you teach them

SO U HAVE A DOG THAT RUNS 100% FLAT OUT? SO SUCH DOGS ARE VERY KEEN.SO A DOG THAT DONT LEARN TO TEMPER ITS PACE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE INJURIES,BE IT MUSCULAR/SKELETAL/OR FROM OBSTACLES SUCH AS BARBED WIRE. SO ITS EITHER GONNA LEARN 2 RUN A BIT SMARTER OR BY THE TIME ITS GOT OVER ITS INJURY IT WILL BE MAD KEEN WHEN TAKEN OUT AGAIN & RISK INJURY ALL OVER AGAIN???? ITS FINDING THAT BALANCE INBETWEEN & ITS A LOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE, COS IVE TRIED IT 4 YEARS.THERES NO WORSE FEELING THAN SITTING IN THE HOUSE & ITS BLOWING A GALE OUTSIDE OR GETTING DRAGGED SHOPPING COS U HAVE AN INJURED DOG IN THE KENNEL & NOTHING BETTER 2 DO.

no my dogs run how i want them to ,

 

 

if i buy a greyhound pup,,,,can u train for me to win the irish derby and english derby,,,,,ill go haver,s on the prize money ££££££££££££££££

only if you can arrange for the derby to be run in the dark ,this is a sensible thread ,so unless you can contribute ,then piss of and play else where .

The crux of it is that the original thread was "Can a dog be too fast"?

You introduced lamping into the equation, and said that a dog can be trained to slow down ,by switching off the lamp,during a run,personally I think this may work for some dogs,it might equally result in a dog ,pulling up, or running with its nose.

It certainly is not applicable to daytime running.Which all your posts on this thread have NOT been about.

Some dogs learn to run within themselves ,often in their second and third season , some dogs,especially the greyhound saturated ones ,never learn .Some allmost do it from day one , particularly the heavily saluki blooded ones.

Lamping bunnies is good sport ,but bears little relevance, or similarity to daytime coursing,many coursing men will not lamp ,as they believe it is detrimental to a purpose -bred coursing dog,encouraging it to pull up at hedges.

CAN A DOG BE TO0 FAST ,i cant see in the day time any where can you ,so i asumed it might be on about what i do ,and as for lamping and dogs stoping at hedges ,i sujest you get out with a person that runs very good dogs ,i done the coursing thing ,

but found lamping more exciting ,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

inan, a coyote has way too much stay to try and play that game with him. You will not find a dog that can stay with one, not a good one anyhow, he has to be overhauled and killed.

[chartpolski 24,131]

2good, can you give us a brief resume' of your dog work/hunting experiance ? I have a feeling you are new to the game, or you are a former member just looking for arguments !

 

Cheers.

Edited February 3, 2010 by chartpolski

[poacher3161 1,766]

2good, can you give us a brief resume' of your dog work/hunting experiance ? I have a feeling you are new to the game, or you are a former member just looking for arguments !

 

Cheers.

Does he work the next best thing in the lurcher world How anybody finds lamping more exciteing than a good day time course is a bit strange in my way of thinking

[whip x grey 276]

thank you dan 2GOOD you stand corrected

disagree ,you say dogs cant learn to be clever \i say they can ,and run how you teach them

SO U HAVE A DOG THAT RUNS 100% FLAT OUT? SO SUCH DOGS ARE VERY KEEN.SO A DOG THAT DONT LEARN TO TEMPER ITS PACE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE INJURIES,BE IT MUSCULAR/SKELETAL/OR FROM OBSTACLES SUCH AS BARBED WIRE. SO ITS EITHER GONNA LEARN 2 RUN A BIT SMARTER OR BY THE TIME ITS GOT OVER ITS INJURY IT WILL BE MAD KEEN WHEN TAKEN OUT AGAIN & RISK INJURY ALL OVER AGAIN???? ITS FINDING THAT BALANCE INBETWEEN & ITS A LOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE, COS IVE TRIED IT 4 YEARS.THERES NO WORSE FEELING THAN SITTING IN THE HOUSE & ITS BLOWING A GALE OUTSIDE OR GETTING DRAGGED SHOPPING COS U HAVE AN INJURED DOG IN THE KENNEL & NOTHING BETTER 2 DO.

no my dogs run how i want them to ,

 

 

if i buy a greyhound pup,,,,can u train for me to win the irish derby and english derby,,,,,ill go haver,s on the prize money ££££££££££££££££

only if you can arrange for the derby to be run in the dark ,this is a sensible thread ,so unless you can contribute ,then piss of and play else where .

The crux of it is that the original thread was "Can a dog be too fast"?

You introduced lamping into the equation, and said that a dog can be trained to slow down ,by switching off the lamp,during a run,personally I think this may work for some dogs,it might equally result in a dog ,pulling up, or running with its nose.

It certainly is not applicable to daytime running.Which all your posts on this thread have NOT been about.

Some dogs learn to run within themselves ,often in their second and third season , some dogs,especially the greyhound saturated ones ,never learn .Some allmost do it from day one , particularly the heavily saluki blooded ones.

Lamping bunnies is good sport ,but bears little relevance, or similarity to daytime coursing,many coursing men will not lamp ,as they believe it is detrimental to a purpose -bred coursing dog,encouraging it to pull up at hedges.

CAN A DOG BE TO0 FAST ,i cant see in the day time any where can you ,so i asumed it might be on about what i do ,and as for lamping and dogs stoping at hedges ,i sujest you get out with a person that runs very good dogs ,i done the coursing thing ,

but found lamping more exciting ,

 

 

2 good sorry for ,,last post but,,,it was just abit off banter

 

but not read all post,s but read,,,,ur last post,,,can a dog be too fast,,,daytime,,,,,,the answer is yes,,,mate,,,,,,if u want u can come up here,,,ill put bro dog,,,almost bobs,37lber 1/2 cross,,,on a rabbit or hare ,,,,and ull see what i mean,,,,,,,,,lamping or daytime,,,,,,these dogs are better at track ,,,but they lamp and belive me,,,,it dont matter,,,,speed is speed,,,,,,,,nothing my bro can do about it,,,,,his dog aint on a remote control,,,,,he can do nothing with dog once he is slipped,,,,he has no control,,,,weather his type off dog run slow or fast,,,,,,almost bobs is without doubt the fastest grey x whip in scotland,,,,,,i dont think anyone else will take him on at that challange,,,,,

 

 

so i know,,,,can a dog be too fast daytime or lamp,,,,,,,YES MATE,,,,TRUST ME

[chartpolski 24,131]

So all you guys who think a dog can be to fast........ get yourselves a 3/4 collie x 1/4 grey, that should be fast enough for you; won't catch owt mind, but certainly won't be to fast !!

Cheers.

[inan 841]

thank you dan 2GOOD you stand corrected

disagree ,you say dogs cant learn to be clever \i say they can ,and run how you teach them

SO U HAVE A DOG THAT RUNS 100% FLAT OUT? SO SUCH DOGS ARE VERY KEEN.SO A DOG THAT DONT LEARN TO TEMPER ITS PACE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE INJURIES,BE IT MUSCULAR/SKELETAL/OR FROM OBSTACLES SUCH AS BARBED WIRE. SO ITS EITHER GONNA LEARN 2 RUN A BIT SMARTER OR BY THE TIME ITS GOT OVER ITS INJURY IT WILL BE MAD KEEN WHEN TAKEN OUT AGAIN & RISK INJURY ALL OVER AGAIN???? ITS FINDING THAT BALANCE INBETWEEN & ITS A LOT EASIER SAID THAN DONE, COS IVE TRIED IT 4 YEARS.THERES NO WORSE FEELING THAN SITTING IN THE HOUSE & ITS BLOWING A GALE OUTSIDE OR GETTING DRAGGED SHOPPING COS U HAVE AN INJURED DOG IN THE KENNEL & NOTHING BETTER 2 DO.

no my dogs run how i want them to ,

 

 

if i buy a greyhound pup,,,,can u train for me to win the irish derby and english derby,,,,,ill go haver,s on the prize money ££££££££££££££££

only if you can arrange for the derby to be run in the dark ,this is a sensible thread ,so unless you can contribute ,then piss of and play else where .

The crux of it is that the original thread was "Can a dog be too fast"?

You introduced lamping into the equation, and said that a dog can be trained to slow down ,by switching off the lamp,during a run,personally I think this may work for some dogs,it might equally result in a dog ,pulling up, or running with its nose.

It certainly is not applicable to daytime running.Which all your posts on this thread have NOT been about.

Some dogs learn to run within themselves ,often in their second and third season , some dogs,especially the greyhound saturated ones ,never learn .Some allmost do it from day one , particularly the heavily saluki blooded ones.

Lamping bunnies is good sport ,but bears little relevance, or similarity to daytime coursing,many coursing men will not lamp ,as they believe it is detrimental to a purpose -bred coursing dog,encouraging it to pull up at hedges.

CAN A DOG BE TO0 FAST ,i cant see in the day time any where can you ,so i asumed it might be on about what i do ,and as for lamping and dogs stoping at hedges ,i sujest you get out with a person that runs very good dogs ,i done the coursing thing ,

but found lamping more exciting ,

No it does not say "in the day time",anymore than it says, "in the night time".

Why did you assume ,because you lamp, that would be what it was referring to?

Thanks for your suggestion.I have been out with some of the best daytime /night time dogs in the UK.

I have run against several guys that are well known faces, two of whom have won the Forley Cup,when it was still the "real Forley".

I am allways willing to be educated on a subject, as Ive only been doing this for 40 years.

So, please tell me how you train a dog to run slow during the day time?

It's a part of my education that is sadly lacking.Perhaps you can enlighten me ?

If you beleive that experience is the teacher,I would say sometimes it is ,sometimes it isn't

 

Lamping is good sport and very exciting ,I love it

Coursing is now banned so, obviously ,I no longer do it.But ,if it was not ,I would say each to his own.

If the content of my post sounds sarcastic ,good, it's meant to be, you have no idea about the quality of the dogs I run,or, what they run ,and long may that be the case.

have good hunting for the rest of the season.

[inan 841]

inan, a coyote has way too much stay to try and play that game with him. You will not find a dog that can stay with one, not a good one anyhow, he has to be overhauled and killed.

So ,it's a question of getting your dogs on terms and ,hoping they" reel them in "with their superior speed?

I would love to see one of these courses.

[snap 15]

a lurcher cant be too fast if it learns to control it which usaly comes with experience imo.

controlled speed is what you want,a lurcher with that extra boost when needed will imo put more in the freezer.

[chartpolski 24,131]

Inan, I to have over 40 years experiance with running dogs; and I to have walked out, day and night, with some of the big "names", but I have never heard such drivel as I have heard on this thread about dogs being "to fast" ! Why the hell do we put the best to the best, then throw in dogs like Ballyreagan Bob and other top greyhounds, if not to get the speed back in ???? I've talked to a few lads tonight, and they all agree...... yes stamina is important, but without speed, they would just be curs !! The quarry is fast; it needs a fast dog to get up to it !

Cheers.

[inan 841]

Inan, I to have over 40 years experiance with running dogs; and I to have walked out, day and night, with some of the big "names", but I have never heard such drivel as I have heard on this thread about dogs being "to fast" ! Why the hell do we put the best to the best, then throw in dogs like Ballyreagan Bob and other top greyhounds, if not to get the speed back in ???? I've talked to a few lads tonight, and they all agree...... yes stamina is important, but without speed, they would just be curs !! The quarry is fast; it needs a fast dog to get up to it !

Cheers.

Ballyregan Bob was a middle distance dog trained by Curtis,at Brighton Hove , he had speed enough to be considered for the Derby ,but stamina enough to beat marathon dogs. a bit of an anomaly. he is the great grandfather of my youngest dog.

Like wise another well know fella used Sandman lines to create a great bitch called Lady,Sand Man was a middle/long distance dog.

 

Obviously speed,or a modicum of it is needed in a dogs makeup, but, if it was the be and end all, breeders would have sought out sprint greyhounds ,would they not?

 

Salukis,compared to greyhounds are slow,coursers hope to get a happy medium between the two by mixing the types together,but you allready know all this.

 

Cheetahs are the fastest land mammal,and have no difficulty catching their dinner ,but they have extraordinarily flexible spines

which enable them to turn comparatively tightly ,considering the speed they get up to.And they are only good for a few hundred yards.

Then again they are running an animal as big as themselves , dogs ,running legal British quarry are running a slower ,yet smaller ,more agile animal .

 

As Miles has said ,if I interpret him right, it isn't a dogs speed ,so much ,as how he applies it. I just gave a personal example of a dog I was running doubled up.

I didnt mean to come on like the elder statesman I certainly am not. My pompous reply was for the other poster, a response to his" I suggest you get out with someone who has good dogs, [without the grammatical mistakes].

Edited February 3, 2010 by inan

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

inan, a coyote has way too much stay to try and play that game with him. You will not find a dog that can stay with one, not a good one anyhow, he has to be overhauled and killed.

So ,it's a question of getting your dogs on terms and ,hoping they" reel them in "with their superior speed?

I would love to see one of these courses.

 

Yes, thats exactly what the game is. A coyote is not much faster than a fox really but they run completely different and their stamina is unreal. I have seen boys run em with sleds for miles and them sumbitches just keep on truckin. They run different than a fox also and you cant get a good "slip" on them. A fox is amazing at cuttin and slashin but a coyote wont do that really. They are way way out there usually and it just requires superior run up to get to them but if you dont catch em in the first mile, you most likely wont ever catch em.

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

Obviously speed,or a modicum of it is needed in a dogs makeup, but, if it was the be and end all, breeders would have sought out sprint greyhounds ,would they not?

 

 

The problem with this rational is that "sprint greyhounds" have not been selected to catch and kill shit. Only to run in a straight line. So, to answer your question, no breeders would not select them dogs. Not arguin just showin you the flaw in that rational.