Too Fast..possible or not,

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I've owned fast dogs in the past and they could kill with ease, the faster the better as far as I'm concerned, they learn how to control their running with work ,It's not rocket science the more work they get the better they become.

 

 

Thats all I was tryin to say.

 

I dont know who asked it but I dont lamp at all really, not seriously anyhow. I'm a daytime hunter 99% of the time.

[Guest 2GOOD]

I've owned fast dogs in the past and they could kill with ease, the faster the better as far as I'm concerned, they learn how to control their running with work ,It's not rocket science the more work they get the better they become.

 

 

Thats all I was tryin to say.

 

I dont know who asked it but I dont lamp at all really, not seriously anyhow. I'm a daytime hunter 99% of the time.

then dan, that is why a dog with to much speed in the dark is a acident waiting to happen ,but in the day it can see what is what and i would agree with you about having a lot more speed ,but it would also have to have stamina to go with it ,as you would know .

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I've owned fast dogs in the past and they could kill with ease, the faster the better as far as I'm concerned, they learn how to control their running with work ,It's not rocket science the more work they get the better they become.

 

 

Thats all I was tryin to say.

 

I dont know who asked it but I dont lamp at all really, not seriously anyhow. I'm a daytime hunter 99% of the time.

then dan, that is why a dog with to much speed in the dark is a acident waiting to happen ,but in the day it can see what is what and i would agree with you about having a lot more speed ,but it would also have to have stamina to go with it ,as you would know .

 

Yes, I have taken 6 coyotes in one day with my set so I'd say they have plenty of both speed and stamina and definatley are sound cause we run on some raw ground. Its hard for me to remember that yall are speakin of lampin most of the time.

[wee gemm hunter 8]

I've owned fast dogs in the past and they could kill with ease, the faster the better as far as I'm concerned, they learn how to control their running with work ,It's not rocket science the more work they get the better they become.

dogs with to much greyhound in them.dont get better when they are worked hard they go back wards

 

Are you saying that if you run a dog once a week it's going to learn more than a dog thats run 3 or 4 times a week.

I'm not talking about 8hr shifts I'm talking talking 2 or 3 chases, all depending on how hard the runs are, would you say the red bitch in my pics is to greyhoundish, got her as an adult,totally hyper surprised she never killed herself, now she is a lot more calmer and would have no problem running all day if I asked her to, and she is fast just learned to control it.

it dont sound like you have worked your dog very hard so what makes you think she would go all day

 

I'm no a numbers guy, 2 or 3 does me and I know my bitch, she has plenty of stamina on occasion I've took a bit more than needed maybe if some bodies with me and they want to spend a bit more time on the ground.

[inan 841]

yes mate fast dogs are injury prone, you want a clever dog who know how to use his gears, basically you want a fast dog to run slow

That says it in a nutshell.

I had a 3/4 grey x 1/4 saluki, he was blindingly fast ,turned well for a speedster ,and had a great gob, I won quite a few stakes with him ,doubled up ,but he was injury prone,and met his nemesis at a dyke , leading his opponent ,he didn't see the dyke ,until too late,failed to brake and dislocated his front leg, he made a recovery of sorts ,and caught many rabbits ,but never coursed again, as he couldn't turn properly.I wish I had put him back to a 3/4 saluki,but never did ,his litter mates were the same ,very good when fit ,but spent too much time injured.

[Guest 2GOOD]

only one way to make them think for them selves and slow down ,let them run of the lead ,as soon as you can take them out with other dogs when they are young ,if you just keep sliping them of a lead ,they only learn to run flat out .

[whip x grey 276]

only one way to make them think for them selves and slow down ,let them run of the lead ,as soon as you can take them out with other dogs when they are young ,if you just keep sliping them of a lead ,they only learn to run flat out .

 

 

i give mine few rabbits,,,,but i dont want them to run flat out,,,,8 second,s for 150yards,,,well thats sucide,lol

 

so what do is when there young i give them slips,,,near beach were grass is really long but pleanty off rabbits,,they learn to duck and wheeve threw long grass trying to out smart rabbit,but are not able to run flat out,,,when 10 to 14 month,,,,then i take them to feild,,,,,end result,,,i have got a racer that doesnt run flat out,,on the run up,,but still fast enough,,,( they quickly learn the diffrence from chasing rabbits to racing

 

not saying that would work for everyone,,,but seems to work for mine,,,,not somthing i planned,,it sort off just happened,,and iam glad it did,,as it might off meant vet bills,,,,as it happens mine have never injured them self,s chasing bunnys,,,but have at racing when putting brakes on when lure stops

 

helps if dog has alittle bit off savvy,,than total nutcase

Edited February 2, 2010 by whip x grey

[Endgame 68]

yes mate fast dogs are injury prone, you want a clever dog who know how to use his gears, basically you want a fast dog to run slow

That says it in a nutshell.

I had a 3/4 grey x 1/4 saluki, he was blindingly fast ,turned well for a speedster ,and had a great gob, I won quite a few stakes with him ,doubled up ,but he was injury prone,and met his nemesis at a dyke , leading his opponent ,he didn't see the dyke ,until too late,failed to brake and dislocated his front leg, he made a recovery of sorts ,and caught many rabbits ,but never coursed again, as he couldn't turn properly.I wish I had put him back to a 3/4 saluki,but never did ,his litter mates were the same ,very good when fit ,but spent too much time injured.

BIGEARS & WEE GEM U BOTH KNOW THE SCORE. SPEED IS AN ESSENTIAL ESPECIALLY IN SMALLER FIELDS, BUT A DOG NEEDS 2 LEARN HOW 2 USE ITS SPEED AS A DOG THAT CONSTANTLY COMMITS ITSELF WILL COME UNSTUCK WHEN THE HARES GO UP A GEAR LATER IN THE SEASON. GETTING A DOG THAT LEARNS TO TEMPER ITS PACE TO SUIT THE RUNNING IS EASIER SAID THAN DONE. 2 USE THE PHRASE "A FAST DOG THAT CAN RUN A HARE SLOW" IS IDEAL. NOW GETTING UR DOG EXPERIENCE WILL ULTIMATELY EDUCATE ANY DOG, BUT IS A DOG BORN WITH THE ABILITY 2 USE THE GEARS IT HAS OR WILL WORK TEACH IT THIS?? IN MY EXPERIENCE DOGS ARE BORN WITH IT BUT I MAY BE WRONG??

[bigears 205]

totally agree with endgame dogs either have it or they don't ( born with it ) dogs can not learn to be clever

[poacher3161 1,766]

Its called natrual ability some thing i have found mostly comes from [bANNED TEXT] to lurchers are bred together the ones i have had with no natrual ability are those bred out of racing dogs like the pup i have on at the moment I can safely say baised on exsperiance the odds are in your favour getting a pup out of parents with good running ability proveing the point that good breeding is more important than anything else.atb dell

[lord of the longdogs 9]

Yes a dog can some times be to fast its usualy lurchers that have been put back to greyhounds or non ped whippets wich imho can cancel a lot of the natrual running ability out in a certain type of lurcher.Then again a fast type dog with running sence will always catch on any ground and a fast dog will only get slower as it gets older were a slow dog to start with wont get any faster with age,atb dell

surerly if a fast dog gets slower with age a slower dog gets slower aswell

[Catcher 1 639]

Another thing one must seriously take into consideration here is this. The truely great fast dogs are not weak or brittle. They are not injury prone at all. They are the best of their kind and they can absolutley fly and take any tumble that a half breed collie lurcher could take. If you think of it, they should be able to. They are damn near perfect in every aspect. If they were not, they would not be the athletes that they are in the first place. Never will you see a straighter legged, more muscled, solid hound that them fast as lightning jack rabbit or hare dogs that them boys run. They float over the ground with the greatest of ease and never get injured. Thats cause they are what we should all be lookin for. Dont settle for a slow dog just cause it wont get injured. That might well be, but the sumbitch aint never gonna catch nothin but a cold either.

a fast dog would not last a week in the places i work my dog ,mabe ok for you on them vast plains where they get time to pull up or turn wide .,

 

 

We run ours in timber ground all the time so I aint buyin that either.

dan you dont run dogs in small fields with hedges and walls like we do ,a fast dog does not cut it in these places ,that is all im saying ,other wise i would get a greyhound .or pure whipet .

 

I would have thought the opposite were true; fast dogs for the small fields, plodders for the fens.

Cheers.

 

 

I agree whit Chartpolski on this.Been working this kind of ground for years.You need a fast dog of the mark as it may only have a 15 sec burst of speed to catch it,s quarry.The pickup will come as the dog learns

[poacher3161 1,766]

Yes a dog can some times be to fast its usualy lurchers that have been put back to greyhounds or non ped whippets wich imho can cancel a lot of the natrual running ability out in a certain type of lurcher.Then again a fast type dog with running sence will always catch on any ground and a fast dog will only get slower as it gets older were a slow dog to start with wont get any faster with age,atb dell

surerly if a fast dog gets slower with age a slower dog gets slower aswell

Thats some thing i have commented on in an other post.Wat i am saying is dogs that are fast enough can be bred out of two lurchers.It boils down to a breeding program i did some years ago and wrote down the differences in two pups i bred out of the same dog one to a pure courseing grey bitch the other to a mixture of grey/beddy/grey/collie the sire in question was a grey/saluki.atb dell

[Guest 2GOOD]

totally agree with endgame dogs either have it or they don't ( born with it ) dogs can not learn to be clever

please correct me if im wrong ,so your saying that a dog must be born with the know how from day one that it must not run flat out on game ,but learn to pace its self ,what a load of nonsens ,

Edited February 3, 2010 by 2GOOD

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

totally agree with endgame dogs either have it or they don't ( born with it ) dogs can not learn to be clever

please correct me if im wrong ,so your saying that a dog must be born with the know how from day one that it must not run flat out on game ,but learn to pace its self ,what a load of nonsens ,

 

 

I dont think that is what he really meant. I think he meant they were born with the ability to learn how to run clever.