DSC Level 2

[fireblade_rrw 20]

Having done my DSC level 1, my mate and I, intend continuing and doing the level 2.

 

I'm looking for advice on the best way to arrange an AW for the 3 stalks that have to be recorded, or CW for 2 of the stalks. I have my own place, with both Roe & Red, and have access to other shoots as well.

 

I basically don't want to have to pay for the stalks, having my own place, but realise we will need to sort something out financially with the AW. I should also say, I've read up on the requirements, which seem quite straight forward.

 

Could anyone help with advice, experiences, best way to approach this and most importantly getting hold of a good and 'pragmatic' AW !!

 

I haven't applied for it yet, but intend doing so soon.

 

Happy to discuss via PM if appropriate.

[john robbo 30]

As from jan 2010 I believe all 3 stalks now have to be witnessed by an A.W. soon to be "approved witness". by june 2010.

Get it done now as its going to be dearer and not as easy in regards to getting an A.w. to do 3 deer.

[fireblade_rrw 20]

As from jan 2010 I believe all 3 stalks now have to be witnessed by an A.W. soon to be "approved witness". by june 2010.

Get it done now as its going to be dearer and not as easy in regards to getting an A.w. to do 3 deer.

 

Cheers mate - As I understand it, and at the moment, 1 of the stalks must be done by an Accredited Witness, and 2 can be done by Credible witnesses - although its all a bit confusing to be honest. This is a list of the people involved and evidence required - from BASC

 

External Verifiers

These people, appointed by DMQ, confirm that each Assessment Centre is operating the qualification properly. That means maintaining the right records, making sure the assessments are carried out fairly and thoroughly and that all Assessors are working to the same standard.

 

Internal Verifiers

Are employed by the Assessment Centre. They ALWAYS check a candidate's submission for the award to ensure that the evidence provided meets the requirements of DMQ. They also work with the assessors to maintain the high standards within the qualifications.

 

Assessor

The person who assess the evidence against DMQ standard, and will offer advice to candidates. Assessors carry a professional standing in the area of deer management and also hold a National Assessor Qualification D32/33 or A1. This makes them ideally suited to compare the evidence submitted to the requirements of the award thereby ensuring that the standard is being met.

They will clarify any aspect of the evidence submitted, either with the candidate or with the witness. Assessors may nominate someone as a suitable accredited witness and will explain the requirements of the role. All assessors have to work to the standards set and the Internal Verifier will confirm that is happening.

 

Accredited Witness

Is someone who would be present when a deer was killed and the carcass prepared, who has already been sponsored by an Assessor as a suitably knowledgeable person. They will have had at least one interview with an assessor so that they know what standard they should expect to see. They will know what an assessors role is and will already have level 2 DMQ award.

Ideally you should use one of the Accredited Witnesses. Two of the culls may be witnessed by an Industry Credited Witness who must hold Level 2, if in doubt discuss with your Assessor, prior to using a Industry Credible Witness. Ultimately your assessor will decide whether the evidence they witness is sufficient. It may be that it needs to be supported by evidence from other witnesses - your assessor will inform you.

 

They must recognise examples of good practice when they see it. They should also understand that their role is to witness what you are doing. They should not be tempted to offer hints. If they do (and there could well be cases when that is the only responsible thing to do) then they and you cannot consider that to be a valid evidence. You would then effectively still be training. When your portfolio is complete your assessor will question the witness about what they saw and about their own level of experience. They should be prepared for some searching questions!

 

The Candidate

Will register with an Assessment Centre and are given information about the award. They will need to meet DMQ's standards, so it is important that they understand any paperwork that comes through the post. They will need to recognise how the award applies to their special situation and are likely to need the help of an Assessor.

 

Advisor

The Advisor is there as the first point of contact for a candidate. Their job is to help the candidate make the most of their stalking, to produce the right evidence for an assessor to assess as being Valid, Authentic and Current.

 

Evidence

For an award to be issued, the Internal Verifier must see proof that the candidate can meet the standard set.

However the minimum requirement is one cull is observed by an Assessor/AW and the remaining two are witnessed by a credible witness who must hold Level 2 themselves.

Five most frequently asked questions

Edited January 31, 2010 by fireblade_rrw

[wireviz 8]

It would help if you could say what area you are from most AW,s Don't charge for the stalk and will only want there expenses. Make sure you have a good area to go to and have a real chance at seeing and shooting a deer. Moat aw,s don't like to do all three stalks so it might be an idea to find a couple.

[fireblade_rrw 20]

It would help if you could say what area you are from most AW,s Don't charge for the stalk and will only want there expenses. Make sure you have a good area to go to and have a real chance at seeing and shooting a deer. Moat aw,s don't like to do all three stalks so it might be an idea to find a couple.

 

 

Scotland mate, as the flag says - West of Scotland to be specific, Loch Lomond ish.

[langouroux 14]

It would help if you could say what area you are from most AW,s Don't charge for the stalk and will only want there expenses. Make sure you have a good area to go to and have a real chance at seeing and shooting a deer. Moat aw,s don't like to do all three stalks so it might be an idea to find a couple.

 

 

all the AW's i know all charge per outing and do all the stalks......pain in the arse if you dont shoot anything!

[john robbo 30]

I only charge for the DSC2 witnessing if a beast is grassed.

[fireblade_rrw 20]

I only charge for the DSC2 witnessing if a beast is grassed.

 

Could I enquire how much? or by PM if you wish it to remain private?

 

Thanks

[black lab 3]

It would help if you could say what area you are from most AW,s Don't charge for the stalk and will only want there expenses. Make sure you have a good area to go to and have a real chance at seeing and shooting a deer. Moat aw,s don't like to do all three stalks so it might be an idea to find a couple.

 

 

Scotland mate, as the flag says - West of Scotland to be specific, Loch Lomond ish.

 

PM sent, hope it help's

Wullie.

[RSWO 0]

As from jan 2010 I believe all 3 stalks now have to be witnessed by an A.W. soon to be "approved witness". by june 2010.

Get it done now as its going to be dearer and not as easy in regards to getting an A.w. to do 3 deer.

 

Cheers mate - As I understand it, and at the moment, 1 of the stalks must be done by an Accredited Witness, and 2 can be done by Credible witnesses - although its all a bit confusing to be honest. This is a list of the people involved and evidence required - from BASC

 

External Verifiers

These people, appointed by DMQ, confirm that each Assessment Centre is operating the qualification properly. That means maintaining the right records, making sure the assessments are carried out fairly and thoroughly and that all Assessors are working to the same standard.

 

Internal Verifiers

Are employed by the Assessment Centre. They ALWAYS check a candidate's submission for the award to ensure that the evidence provided meets the requirements of DMQ. They also work with the assessors to maintain the high standards within the qualifications.

 

Assessor

[color="#FFFF00"]The person who assess the evidence against DMQ standard, and will offer advice to candidates. Assessors carry a professional standing in the area of deer management and also hold a National Assessor Qualification D32/33 or A1.[/color] This makes them ideally suited to compare the evidence submitted to the requirements of the award thereby ensuring that the standard is being met.

They will clarify any aspect of the evidence submitted, either with the candidate or with the witness. Assessors may nominate someone as a suitable accredited witness and will explain the requirements of the role. All assessors have to work to the standards set and the Internal Verifier will confirm that is happening.

 

Accredited Witness

Is someone who would be present when a deer was killed and the carcass prepared, who has already been sponsored by an Assessor as a suitably knowledgeable person. They will have had at least one interview with an assessor so that they know what standard they should expect to see. They will know what an assessors role is and will already have level 2 DMQ award.

Ideally you should use one of the Accredited Witnesses. Two of the culls may be witnessed by an Industry Credited Witness who must hold Level 2, if in doubt discuss with your Assessor, prior to using a Industry Credible Witness. Ultimately your assessor will decide whether the evidence they witness is sufficient. It may be that it needs to be supported by evidence from other witnesses - your assessor will inform you.

 

They must recognise examples of good practice when they see it. They should also understand that their role is to witness what you are doing. They should not be tempted to offer hints. If they do (and there could well be cases when that is the only responsible thing to do) then they and you cannot consider that to be a valid evidence. You would then effectively still be training. When your portfolio is complete your assessor will question the witness about what they saw and about their own level of experience. They should be prepared for some searching questions!

 

The Candidate

Will register with an Assessment Centre and are given information about the award. They will need to meet DMQ's standards, so it is important that they understand any paperwork that comes through the post. They will need to recognise how the award applies to their special situation and are likely to need the help of an Assessor.

 

Advisor

The Advisor is there as the first point of contact for a candidate. Their job is to help the candidate make the most of their stalking, to produce the right evidence for an assessor to assess as being Valid, Authentic and Current.

 

Evidence

For an award to be issued, the Internal Verifier must see proof that the candidate can meet the standard set.

However the minimum requirement is one cull is observed by an Assessor/AW and the remaining two are witnessed by a credible witness who must hold Level 2 themselves.

Five most frequently asked questions

 

 

A quick question what is this? Assessors carry a professional standing in the area of deer management.

[john robbo 30]

Not sure but it reads to me that they have been/or are employed at some time in a roll of deer management

[RSWO 0]

Not sure but it reads to me that they have been/or are employed at some time in a roll of deer management

 

 

Ive got my D32/33 and it wasnt cheap, therfore cant see there being many people willing to spend out for D32/33 plus any other quals required to do a few assessments jobs a year. I think at the moment there are only about 5000 people registered for the level 2 and only 3000 completed. The D32/33 assessor normally does 100's of NVQ students a year.

 

Would like to know if anyone can answer the question ref the other qual?

 

RSWO

[RSWO 0]

Having done my DSC level 1, my mate and I, intend continuing and doing the level 2.

 

I'm looking for advice on the best way to arrange an AW for the 3 stalks that have to be recorded, or CW for 2 of the stalks. I have my own place, with both Roe & Red, and have access to other shoots as well.

 

I basically don't want to have to pay for the stalks, having my own place, but realise we will need to sort something out financially with the AW. I should also say, I've read up on the requirements, which seem quite straight forward.

 

Could anyone help with advice, experiences, best way to approach this and most importantly getting hold of a good and 'pragmatic' AW !!

 

I haven't applied for it yet, but intend doing so soon.

 

Happy to discuss via PM if appropriate.

 

Thinking about going down the same road as yourself. Doing level 1 at end of march then hoping to continue onto level 2. Give me a shout if you get any relevant info.

 

RSWO

[john robbo 30]

An assesor does not do any witnessing only checks the portfolios and asks the relevent questions, so may well do dozens even 100's per annum.

Edited February 5, 2010 by john robbo

[RSWO 0]

An assesor does not do any witnessing only checks the portfolios and asks the relevent questions, so may well do dozens even 100's per annum.

 

agree however my point was that there cant be many assessors due to the requirement for them to have so many expensive quals. just seems to be a bit heavy on the quals considering the through-put of students.

 

 

 

RSWO