Transferable Skills

[halamrose 24]

Hello Chaps,

Yet another question as I eagerly wait for the FEO to hear from the Doctor if I'm insane and a danger to allow out on a full moon.

 

If I can shoot say a 4 inch group at 50 meters offhand with an air rifle, should I expect to be able to do the same with LR or HMR or are Firearms a whole new shooting experience?

 

Cheers,

 

Halam

[andy s410c 61]

Hello Chaps,

Yet another question as I eagerly wait for the FEO to hear from the Doctor if I'm insane and a danger to allow out on a full moon.

 

If I can shoot say a 4 inch group at 50 meters offhand with an air rifle, should I expect to be able to do the same with LR or HMR or are Firearms a whole new shooting experience?

 

Cheers,

 

Halam

 

 

Don't beat yourself up about a FAC interview..if your lands ok,cabinets right & you've got a safe attitude towards firearms & you understand the uses& safe handling/shooting about the firearms you wish to own,you'll be ok.

[Deker 3,478]

Hello Chaps,

Yet another question as I eagerly wait for the FEO to hear from the Doctor if I'm insane and a danger to allow out on a full moon.

 

If I can shoot say a 4 inch group at 50 meters offhand with an air rifle, should I expect to be able to do the same with LR or HMR or are Firearms a whole new shooting experience?

 

Cheers,

 

Halam

 

If you are talking about a conventional, run of the mill 12ft lb air rifle then 50 yards is pushing your luck.

 

Accuracy wise you should get touching shots with a HMR, and close to that with a .22lr at 50 yards!!

 

This was 100 yards on a good day for me with HMR! (4 shots) It doesn't happen like that every time. Shot 3 and 4 were just about as close as you can get to being in the same hole! CZ Silhouette, full length barrel, Sirocco Mod and saviour of the world, a Harris Bipod.....cheap old JSR scope though!!

Edited January 24, 2010 by Deker

[halamrose 24]

 

If you are talking about a conventional, run of the mill 12ft lb air rifle then 50 yards is pushing your luck.

 

Accuracy wise you should get touching shots with a HMR, and close to that with a .22lr at 50 yards!!

 

This was 100 yards on a good day for me with HMR!

Thanks Deker, but I don't seem to have asked the questin quite right. Can I expect to shoot just as well with a firearm as I do with a air Rifle? Or better? Or worse? So I guess I'm asking if they are differant skills.

Cheers,

Halam

[mattydski 560]

Hello Chaps,

Yet another question as I eagerly wait for the FEO to hear from the Doctor if I'm insane and a danger to allow out on a full moon.

 

If I can shoot say a 4 inch group at 50 meters offhand with an air rifle, should I expect to be able to do the same with LR or HMR or are Firearms a whole new shooting experience?

 

Cheers,

 

Halam

 

If you are talking about a conventional, run of the mill 12ft lb air rifle then 50 yards is pushing your luck.

 

Accuracy wise you should get touching shots with a HMR, and close to that with a .22lr at 50 yards!!

 

This was 100 yards on a good day for me with HMR! (4 shots) It doesn't happen like that every time. CZ Silhouette, full length barrel, Sirocco Mod and saviour of the world, a Harris Bipod.....cheap old JSR scope though!!

 

 

 

 

Not sure why your so impressed with yourself....You missed that coin with three shots!!

[Colster 1]

You don't say what sort of air-rifle but I would expect my groups off-hand to be tighter with my CZ .22LR Silhouette than my Gamo Whisper X simply because the CZ has a better trigger and much less recoil.

 

A spring air-rifle will recoil fowards first, then start moving backwards (hence why they're so hard on scopes), with practice you can allow for this and reduce the effect but it still pushes the gun off target a little.

 

If you're shooting a half-decent PCP, I would expect them to be much the same at their respective zero range (25-30 for air, 50-70 for rimfire) although 50 yards is long for a non-FAC Air-rifle but easy work for a rimfire.

[harrygrey382 1]

I'm a bit confused here, I thought off hand was shooting with no rest. If so I reckon 4" at 50 yards is pretty good, and the limiting factor is likely to be your steadyness, not the rifle. In my case, I'd say I was better off hand with my air rifle than my 22WMR beause it is a lot heavier. Wouldn't off hand 50 yards though, I'd miss...

 

Off a rest it's a very different story, you'd be better with a rimfire

[Colster 1]

I'm a bit confused here, I thought off hand was shooting with no rest. If so I reckon 4" at 50 yards is pretty good, and the limiting factor is likely to be your steadyness, not the rifle. In my case, I'd say I was better off hand with my air rifle than my 22WMR beause it is a lot heavier. Wouldn't off hand 50 yards though, I'd miss...

 

Off a rest it's a very different story, you'd be better with a rimfire

 

You're correct, off-hand shooting is standing with no rest. I could only base my answer on my rifles, my CZ is actually a little lighter than my air-rifle and being shorter (16" barrel) also better balanced so I would expect my groups to be better with my rimfire against my air-rifle. I'd expect a decent PCP to be about the same as a rimfire if each is shot within it's optimum range. Basing it on 50yards, I'd expect the HMR to be tighter than a non-FAC air-rifle but as you say the limiting factor really is the shooter.

[danebrewer10 6]

I reckon that although the rimmy will probably be lighter unless you have a more full size rifle with a heavy barrel like the Anschutz 64 or 1700 series, but I think I shoot more accurately with a rimmy than with my air rifle, because no matter how good you are, in general sportsman terms, discounting BR (waste of time?)and 1000yd shooting gods, we all wobble slightly, so as you wobble you're moving the barrel, so if your cross hair is over the target and you pull the trigger, the .22 pellet is going to spend longer in the same length barrel compared to a .17HMR so the air rifle is doing ...what? 600ft/s? and the rimmy is doing something like 2600ft/s? so with the air rifle you have more time to move the pellets POI than with the HMR (assuming they were the same weight so yu'd be able to compare them more accurately), I hope I am making sense, I don't think it makes that much difference at 25-30m, but if you could stretch a legal limit air rifle out to 100m in perfectly still air, i think you'd notice a difference

 

But You should be fine, just keep practicing, I use a pair of short sticks- I cut one of those plastic covered garden canes in half, beveled the ends so they'd not slip on the ground, and tied them together with some silicone tubing, rest the fore end on that and the rifle butt on you knee (sitting down) and you're as steady as a rock!

 

Cheers

DB

[halamrose 24]

Thanks Guys, I'll just keep practicing wiht the S200 till I get an FAC - then I'll be able to answer my own question.

Cheers,

H

[harrygrey382 1]

I cut one of those plastic covered garden canes in half, beveled the ends so they'd not slip on the ground, and tied them together with some silicone tubing, rest the fore end on that and the rifle butt on you knee (sitting down) and you're as steady as a rock!

 

Cheers

DB

good sounds position, might give that a go tomorrow.

My shooting sticks (standing) are lengths of straight green hazel with a bit of pushbike inner tube holding them together like a rubber band

[danebrewer10 6]

Thanks Guys, I'll just keep practicing wiht the S200 till I get an FAC - then I'll be able to answer my own question.

Cheers,

H

 

Ha ha, that sounds like a Good idea, I get the impression that you're more confused now than when you started off!

 

ATB

DB

[danebrewer10 6]

I cut one of those plastic covered garden canes in half, beveled the ends so they'd not slip on the ground, and tied them together with some silicone tubing, rest the fore end on that and the rifle butt on you knee (sitting down) and you're as steady as a rock!

 

Cheers

DB

good sounds position, might give that a go tomorrow.

My shooting sticks (standing) are lengths of straight green hazel with a bit of pushbike inner tube holding them together like a rubber band

 

plus what I did was to put a bit of nylon bar in the ends of the tube in the ground so they didn't fill up with mud, and slit a section of garden hose open and put if over the section supporting the rifle so the bumps on the sticks don't damage the woodwork...

[halamrose 24]

 

Ha ha, that sounds like a Good idea, I get the impression that you're more confused now than when you started off!

 

ATB

DB

 

I think I have learned for this that I should expect to match my air rifle shooting standard with rimfire without having to learn to shoot again from scratch. Bet we will see. The idea that faster internal balistics means smaller errors sounds good but I wander if I'm now acustomed to the slower internal balistics of the s200. Cant wait to find out!

 

H