Nasty Incident

[firefly 0]

Hi All,

 

Went shooting with my friend this morning . He has just aquired a 2nd hand investarm folding O/U 410 from a gunshop. After firing both barrels at a pigeon he opened the gun , reloaded and closed the gun which immediately discharged both barrels into the ground in front of him. Frightening to say the least as I was about a metre from where the shot went in!

 

Closer inspection revealed that it was possible to open the gun with the top lever without cocking and resetting the firing pins. When he closed the gun both cartridges were fired by the protruding firing pins. He was able to replicate the problem again immediately.

 

It appears that the opening lever breaks the gun and a further movement of the lever actually cocks it.

 

My question is - is this normal ? I consider this gun to be faulty. Surely this isn't right. The gun should surely be cocked before the barrels open. I told him to take it back but he wants to stick with it.

 

Any opinions gratefully received.

 

Many Thanks,

Ff.

[SEAN3513 7]

he needs to take it back asap.......its an accident waiting to happen

[adamb 0]

Hi All,

 

Went shooting with my friend this morning . He has just aquired a 2nd hand investarm folding O/U 410 from a gunshop. After firing both barrels at a pigeon he opened the gun , reloaded and closed the gun which immediately discharged both barrels into the ground in front of him. Frightening to say the least as I was about a metre from where the shot went in!

 

Closer inspection revealed that it was possible to open the gun with the top lever without cocking and resetting the firing pins. When he closed the gun both cartridges were fired by the protruding firing pins. He was able to replicate the problem again immediately.

 

It appears that the opening lever breaks the gun and a further movement of the lever actually cocks it.

 

My question is - is this normal ? I consider this gun to be faulty. Surely this isn't right. The gun should surely be cocked before the barrels open. I told him to take it back but he wants to stick with it.

 

Any opinions gratefully received.

 

Many Thanks,

Ff.

 

 

you been very lucky [bANNED TEXT]

[SNAP SHOT 194]

Take it back ASAP, i've nearly been killed by a faulty semi auto, the fella loaded the cartridge the gun cocked and fired as the breach came forward.. you only make one mistake and its over... if the gun was pointing into any danger it would of been a different story...

 

i hope he gets sorted out ASAP.

 

Snap.

[Silvertip 1]

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[MAIN MAN 277]

AN OLD BOY TOLD ME ONCE ALWAYS REMEMBER A LOADED GUN NEVER KILLED ANY ONE IT WAS THE PERSON HOLDING IT THATS THE KILLER!! BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORY, LIKE ABOVE TAKE IT BACK.

[Geoff.C 0]

I had an Investarm .410, and although I never had an incident like this, the top lever action sounds normal. You had to push the lever right across to recock the gun after firing. As your mate has it in "folding" mode, I wonder if he is swinging it shut a bit too vigorously?Mind you. it could probably fire in normal mode if not recocked fully? I never used mine as a folder, but it sounds as if the gape stop is missing, if he has no choice. When the fore end wood is off, and the barrels removed, the pin can fall out. It is only about an inch of 6mm approx bright steel bar. This engages with slots in the action body, and the gun just opens with a normal gape, instead of full folding style.

You could easily make a pin if one is not available as a spare. I was taking mine for a young girl to try on clays, and when I opened it, it swung wide. I thought it wasn't like that the other day? Anyway, when i got home, I found the pin on the garage floor and refitted it. The dealer never mentioned this function, so perhaps a lot of Investarm owners find out by accident? Anyway, folder or not, just push the top lever right over and it will be safe.

[The Seeker 3,048]

This sounds very dangerous as you nearly found out yourself. Mate take it back and get it repaired or replaced before somone gets hurt.

[SportingShooter 0]

Thats the third time I've heard of it happening with the exact same gun. One of the keepers here had one in .410, he told me it had done it when he was out with it recently, so I loaded it and shut it in a safe direction and it went off, time and time again.

 

Dodgy IMO.

[quicksilver 0]

General safety tip , bring the stock up to close the gun and not raise the barrels. This way the barrels will be pointing at the ground when you close the gun. I learned this years ago when I first started shooting clays. Glad to hear no one was injured.

[RaiderBoy 19]

id say keep it because if the dealer was prepared to sell it to you without warning you of this problem he will obviously be prepared to sell that gun to another person and that could end with a fatality

 

Richard

[firefly 0]

Thanks for all your advice. I can only advise him to take it back.

If he doesn't I won't go shooting with him if he takes it !

Cheers

[waidmann 105]

whether this is normal for the type of gun or not the gun is unsafe( a few people having had the same problem)and should be taken back to the rfd. imho NO gun/rifle should fire when a simple action such as closing the barrel is carried out.( a friend had a similar problem with an under and over( 30.06x 12g) due to harndend grease behind the pins).

potentially fooking deadly,get rid( to a dealer!!) and let him decide whether it is fit to be sold on.

atb

[gundogbob 1]

does not sound good mate take it back if you kept it and got used to what it does it is still dangerous as it is essy to forget in the heat of the moment

good luck with dealer atb

[Fishslayer 10]

You might suggest that your friend contact the manufacturer.

 

This kind of press is not good for a firearms company and they are likely to help get it fixed.

 

Cheers,

Mark