Implants

[johnmac666 2]

i was on the phone today to a new vet( recomendation of another forum member) getting a price for castrating my hob & neutering my jill & was qouted £46.17 for him £38.24 for her which i thought was cheap, anyway i digress he mentioned "Implants" for Him & Her,has anybody had or heard of these ? i am going to speak to him monday if i can get out of work regarding the implants, any info would be appreciated,

 

regards john

[lorelei0922 2]

there is a relatively new implant that is being used as a form of chemical neutering... it is being investigated because of a probable? or thought to be... link between neutering and adrenal disease which is more and more common in ferrets.

 

The upshot is this implant lasts aproximately 18 months and then wears off... in this time your ferret will be infertile and remain out of season.

 

At the moment there isn't conclusive data about this implant but early tests are promising.. several people on the UK ferrets forum have used this implant for theire ferrets this year and are keeping everyone updated as to the outcomes. You can find all the discussions so far by doing a search on www.ferretsforum.co.uk there are lots of discussions on this new procedure

Edited January 22, 2010 by lorelei0922

[events co-ordinator 353]

Do you have to call your ferret JORDAN while its got them

[longdog13 36]

what about the jill jab mate? only a tenner and brings them out of season

usually if the ferrets come back in soon afterwards the vet my sister uses will repeat the jab for free

 

if the implants only last a year, does that mean that a ferret could have half a dozen or more inside it by the time it meets it's maker? i'm intrigued

[johnmac666 2]

cheers for the replies ,will let you know if i decide on the implant, maybe get him implanted & her done, wouldnt mind breeding him in future,

regards john

[Kay 3,709]

what about the jill jab mate? only a tenner and brings them out of season

usually if the ferrets come back in soon afterwards the vet my sister uses will repeat the jab for free

 

if the implants only last a year, does that mean that a ferret could have half a dozen or more inside it by the time it meets it's maker? i'm intrigued

 

I uncovered this link about these implants & it looks like males can still be fertile for up to 3 months AFTER its been administered

 

http://www.stlzoo.org/downloads/Deslorelin.pdf

[johnmac666 2]

I uncovered this link about these implants & it looks like males can still be fertile for up to 3 months AFTER its been administered

 

http://www.stlzoo.org/downloads/Deslorelin.pdf

 

 

cheers kay have been looking on other forums regarding these implants, i need my hob sorting asap ,i will get as much info as i can from the vet but i think they could be pushing for the implants & we are the guinea pigs, apprently they are making claims that implants reduce the possibilty of adrenal ( having surgery before a certain age is meant to have links with adrenal)from what i understand, but no one can back up the figures , really suprsed me all the negative comments which i have read about the implants will let you know what i decide to do,

 

regards & thanks for the info john

[Kay 3,709]

I uncovered this link about these implants & it looks like males can still be fertile for up to 3 months AFTER its been administered

 

http://www.stlzoo.org/downloads/Deslorelin.pdf

 

 

cheers kay have been looking on other forums regarding these implants, i need my hob sorting asap ,i will get as much info as i can from the vet but i think they could be pushing for the implants & we are the guinea pigs, apprently they are making claims that implants reduce the possibilty of adrenal ( having surgery before a certain age is meant to have links with adrenal)from what i understand, but no one can back up the figures , really suprsed me all the negative comments which i have read about the implants will let you know what i decide to do,

 

regards & thanks for the info john

 

John i also belive anyone who has the implant as a contraceptive is merely a guinea pig ... thength of time it lasts is not known for sure ....and the fertile up to 3 months after its administered is a hell of a lot longer than a vasecomised male will generally be

 

 

i just dont think enough is known at this stage about its uses in ferrets

 

It does seem to help in ferrets already showing clinical signs of adrenal .. but there again at the moment its not clear if its just masking the signs so once the effectivness wears off will the ferret just go back to how it was before or is it actually curing it

[johnmac666 2]

kay, since posting this i have trawled the internet for as much information as i could find, seems tests are still ongoing & found some intersting articles regarding castration & chemical castration,just googling came up with all sorts of results , i have also managed to get a few peoples dissertations on this subject, intersting read

regards john

[heritage 202]

if your looking for more information on the implant have a look /contact FERT through there website. not only will they have all the information you require but they will also be talking through experience and there own use of the implant.atb

[Kay 3,709]

kay, since posting this i have trawled the internet for as much information as i could find, seems tests are still ongoing & found some intersting articles regarding castration & chemical castration,just googling came up with all sorts of results , i have also managed to get a few peoples dissertations on this subject, intersting read

regards john

 

John i think the general feeling amongst owners who want it implanted because of the links to early neutering & Adrenal are going to have or have had the implant & will neuter when it starts to wear off which at the moment it seems to be from 12 months to 18 months average effectiveness

 

I have found some data from 2005 that claims when its used on adrenal ferrets it only masks the symptoms because when the implants effectiveness wore off all the animals started to show clinical signs again

 

But i will keep digging about & see what else i can find in the meantime as i am interest in this drug & how its being used in adrenal ferrets mainly

[ferret lady 73]

Going by what the manufacturer says about this drug, I wouldn't use it on any ferret intended for future breeding. Also, to ensure that the ferret develops normally, I'd be very cautious about using it on a ferret until after it was fully mature and had gone through a rut/heat.

[johnmac666 2]

Going by what the says about this drug, I wouldn't use it on any ferret intended for future breeding. Also, to ensure that the ferret develops normally, I'd be very cautious about using it on a ferret until after it was fully mature and had gone through a rut/heat.

 

 

can you elaborate regarding future breeding ?? & what age do the manufacturers reccomend the implant ?

 

it seems to me my vet is singing the prasies of this implant for reasons of finacial rather than welfare ?? maybe wrong but mine are only 8 months old & according to your post too young to be implanted , yet the vet didnt mention minimum ages & i told him mine are only young & i dont want to breed from my ferrets, my hob is in a season & my jill came into season in december ( now out of season ) does that mean she is ok to be implanted or is she still too young any info would be appreciated

 

regards john

[johnmac666 2]

Morning people, just to update on these implants, yesterday after 2 weeks of debating what to do, i took my Hob & Jill to the vets to get their bits done, well me being a chicken i didnt get then snipped as planned , so i went for implants, the charge for 2 was £37 each which should last 18 months, so i am told, i will be keeping a diary of the 2 i have implanted just to let people know the changes that they go through & how long they will last, it took the vet about 15 mins & i was on my way home ferrets awake none the wiser, the needle is bigger than the microchip one & has left a hole about 2/3mm on the middle of their back about half way down,she is back with the other girls now & he is still sectioned off, still being teased by the girls & dooking to them & trying his best to scratch through 2 inches of wood & 3/4 inches of marine ply (its keeping him fit )

 

i can make it as a fresh post if anybody is interested am also doing a word document as well

 

regards john

Edited February 11, 2010 by johnmac666

[ferret lady 73]

IMO, there is not sufficient data to determine the long term effects of using artificial hormones to influence their reproductive cycles. Thus, I would only use it on ferrets not intended for breeding in the future, to ensure that there was no deleterious effect on kits.

 

The manufacturer also describes the same effects when the implant is used on prepuberty cats and dogs as has been seen in early neutering/spaying. Other negative side effects have been observed in cats and dogs which were neutered or spayed before they were sexually mature, as well, and I'd be concerned that could also occur with ferrets.