saluki

[mush 204]

well put the proof up concerning your allegations about khan im not defending khan himself but im certainly defending his lineage and you cannot prove your allegations on this site and you should apologise and admit your failings if my memory serves me well you was pulled on this some time ago on this subject on another site

Like i said i have seen what i have said in other post, i don't talk for anyone else I'm no puppet for no one, No one has pulled me up on anything on another site.

I don't give a dame about khan besides the fact that i feel sorry for the dog being passed around and used to make money. From what the breeder said on the other site he got rid of him because 'khan wasn't good enough too steady stay forever' and there the breeders words not mine. he did say the sisters were good tho, has he done any running since no, so people are breeding off a dog who wasn't any good just because he has a well known name.

We here it all the time about hancock this and hancock that he don't work his dogs, don't breed off the best, but it seems its ok to go and put any old saluki on your bitch no wonder theres so much negative stuff written about salukis and their crosses,nerves, don't come back run the hare but never try to pick up. If you breed from top stuff you got a good chance of gating top stuff bred of cast offs no mater how their bred and sooner or later you will be breeding rubbish.

[im slippy 4]

well put the proof up concerning your allegations about khan im not defending khan himself but im certainly defending his lineage and you cannot prove your allegations on this site and you should apologise and admit your failings if my memory serves me well you was pulled on this some time ago on this subject on another site

Like i said i have seen what i have said in other post, i don't talk for anyone else I'm no puppet for no one, No one has pulled me up on anything on another site.

I don't give a dame about khan besides the fact that i feel sorry for the dog being passed around and used to make money. From what the breeder said on the other site he got rid of him because 'khan wasn't good enough too steady stay forever' and there the breeders words not mine. he did say the sisters were good tho, has he done any running since no, so people are breeding off a dog who wasn't any good just because he has a well known name.

We here it all the time about hancock this and hancock that he don't work his dogs, don't breed off the best, but it seems its ok to go and put any old saluki on your bitch no wonder theres so much negative stuff written about salukis and their crosses,nerves, don't come back run the hare but never try to pick up. If you breed from top stuff you got a good chance of gating top stuff bred of cast offs no mater how their bred and sooner or later you will be breeding rubbish.

WELL SAID MUSH,GOT TO AGREE WITH YE THERE

[merle24 61]

What lines should i look for if i was to buy one?

what kind of money are we talking for a nice pup?

i would love one to run as a lurcher

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hang fire for a for a couple of years and there will be some fresh blooded dogs on the go and hopfully some good outcross litters on the ground. The Kizzy/Pharoh dogs are excellent coursing/hunting dogs there is no doubt about that but there are some health issues mainly growth problems in pups and some auto immune disorders starting to appear in some due to tight breeding.

 

That would be my advise anyway.

 

That doesnt sound good for the future to me,, immune disorders, growth problems,, dont want to sound like an asshole here, but should you not be looking for an alternative,, because these disorders may crop up even when outcross,, no good having fresh blood with genetic faults such as that,,, alfb anyway,,

[mush 204]

I love these threads, But am i right in thinking no one has actually slated kizzy/pharoh/ khan lines everyone seems to agree they are some, if not the best, lines in europe maybe even the world.

 

The problem is that the gene pool is so small and getting smaller, your much more likely to get problems coming through, that have been mentioned. It obviously ISN'T a big problem at the moment, with only very few isolated cases, but the protential for it to explode in say 3 or 4 generations must be taken seriously.

 

New blood has to be a good thing as long as it's the RIGHT new blood and not just new blood for new blood sake.

 

yis

smoggy

spot on smoggy but the problems I've said about were over 15 years ago in the breeding and people just put any of the ones that showed the faults down and still kepted breeding. If they can be tested for all the faults they have and a lot of fresh blood put in great, but fresh blood is need in all the salukis in the UK not just the K & P bred ones but they must be the most inbred here.

[mush 204]

Can Mush/ someone tell me what lines the white saluki are?

they have been breed by a lot of people they have a bit of the same blood lines as the rest of the salukis in the UK but with as much desert bred blood that could be put in and have had it added by a number of breeders with no kennel names. but if you want to no what kennel names are in the pedigree have a look http://pawvillage.com/pedigree/pedigree.asp?ID=5YGY7J6LBG

[riohog 5,701]

I love these threads, But am i right in thinking no one has actually slated kizzy/pharoh/ khan lines everyone seems to agree they are some, if not the best, lines in europe maybe even the world.

 

The problem is that the gene pool is so small and getting smaller, your much more likely to get problems coming through, that have been mentioned. It obviously ISN'T a big problem at the moment, with only very few isolated cases, but the protential for it to explode in say 3 or 4 generations must be taken seriously.

 

New blood has to be a good thing as long as it's the RIGHT new blood and not just new blood for new blood sake.

 

yis

smoggy

spot on smoggy but the problems I've said about were over 15 years ago in the breeding and people just put any of the ones that showed the faults down and still kepted breeding. If they can be tested for all the faults they have and a lot of fresh blood put in great, but fresh blood is need in all the salukis in the UK not just the K & P bred ones but they must be the most inbred here.

and could you tell me mush what steps have you tacken to procure( new blood )and what is it and where is it from ?

[riohog 5,701]

Can Mush/ someone tell me what lines the white saluki are?

they have been breed by a lot of people they have a bit of the same blood lines as the rest of the salukis in the UK but with as much desert bred blood that could be put in and have had it added by a number of breeders with no kennel names. but if you want to no what kennel names are in the pedigree have a look http://pawvillage.com/pedigree/pedigree.asp?ID=5YGY7J6LBG

 

 

lol sediki and tepegawra ,,same as khan /kizzy pharoh .....white ! or cream ?

[riohog 5,701]

I love these threads, But am i right in thinking no one has actually slated kizzy/pharoh/ khan lines everyone seems to agree they are some, if not the best, lines in europe maybe even the world.

 

The problem is that the gene pool is so small and getting smaller, your much more likely to get problems coming through, that have been mentioned. It obviously ISN'T a big problem at the moment, with only very few isolated cases, but the protential for it to explode in say 3 or 4 generations must be taken seriously.

 

New blood has to be a good thing as long as it's the RIGHT new blood and not just new blood for new blood sake.

 

yis

smoggy

spot on smoggy but the problems I've said about were over 15 years ago in the breeding and people just put any of the ones that showed the faults down and still kepted breeding. If they can be tested for all the faults they have and a lot of fresh blood put in great, but fresh blood is need in all the salukis in the UK not just the K & P bred ones but they must be the most inbred here.

and could you tell me mush what steps have you tacken to procure( new blood )and what is it and where is it from ?

id be really interested to see what contribution you have made ?

[whin 463]

why do youse bitch over who can get this and that, me personaly its who works them finds faults and puts it [bANNED TEXT] , i realy hope youse enjoy use dogs and all the dubia stuff got freinds working there , i dont think the saluks are that much beter than dubia america, here, just they have more openings for work america has lots of jackrabbits and no laws to chase thme ,but only a handfull of diehards who have them up to a top class match dog standard ,thta i have saw in the last decade, i realy hope whatever you do its for the dogs not the money side of things

[riohog 5,701]

why do youse bitch over who can get this and that, me personaly its who works them finds faults and puts it [bANNED TEXT] , i realy hope youse enjoy use dogs and all the dubia stuff got freinds working there , i dont think the saluks are that much beter than dubia america, here, just they have more openings for work america has lots of jackrabbits and no laws to chase thme ,but only a handfull of diehards who have them up to a top class match dog standard ,thta i have saw in the last decade, i realy hope whatever you do its for the dogs not the money side of things

its like this whin .. read the thread the guy is saying you need new blood .what is he doing about it .. ill tell you talking about it thats all !! money ffs not much for free in this world is there ?btw ive never sold a litter of pups ....yet thats in 40 years bet theres a few that have though !!!!!

[arcticgun 4,548]

Can Mush/ someone tell me what lines the white saluki are?

they have been breed by a lot of people they have a bit of the same blood lines as the rest of the salukis in the UK but with as much desert bred blood that could be put in and have had it added by a number of breeders with no kennel names. but if you want to no what kennel names are in the pedigree have a look http://pawvillage.com/pedigree/pedigree.asp?ID=5YGY7J6LBG

 

Cheers mush, nice sals you have , i looked on the ped link, Cream Cracker is also on the ped for my dog pup Nero (right back 5 gen), on the bitches side, nice to know there is a bit Tepe Gawra in their I really like the smooth types.

[mush 204]

That doesnt sound good for the future to me,, immune disorders, growth problems,, dont want to sound like an asshole here, but should you not be looking for an alternative,, because these disorders may crop up even when outcross,, no good having fresh blood with genetic faults such as that,,, alfb anyway,,

had a quick look at immune disorders and they don't seem to no what the mane causes of it is, seems to be a number of reasons for it. some breeds get it more than others seems to be the popular breeds that are bred a lot. only read about tests for it after they already have it even if its not showed yet.

[arcticgun 4,548]

Im waiting to here Miles opinions, come on mate get em up ,

[whin 463]

fare play to you ,i just can get it , but over bys the same they bitch about what dog should had one the race what dog had done this ,its seems to be alla bout credits on there pedigree if he wins acourse he gets more pionts etc and all that blarney .never like dthe shows ,salukis etc but i di like the coursing , shame there are two diffrent tyopes of guys those thta manicure them and those tha catch the dinner and dont think much of it, therwas aguy in new mexico had agood saluk he was his first dog , a very good dog beating all the saluks and was even with longdogs and galgos , he was a cracker and he didnt give a hoot about all the bitching but enjoyed the race , he chased ahare one day in to abadger hole he dug it out and caut it i though good dog as it was hot and we had hunted all day i admired the dog and thought in the [bANNED TEXT] hands or wrong i could fill abag of game with that lol

[mush 204]

and could you tell me mush what steps have you tacken to procure( new blood )and what is it and where is it from ?

I've done the same as you are in the middle of doing, why do you think your the only one or the first.