saluki

[riohog 5,714]

The two brothers web sites

 

http://www.iran-saluki.de/

 

http://www.voniransamin.de/dfs.htm

 

i can make no comment about ..cyrus sattarzadeh as i have never been involved with him or met him .the kennels are totaly two seperate entertise ...no conection at all

I think anyone can see they are two separate kennels, The connection is their brothers and I'm sure they have had the same dogs in some of their breeding, may be wrong I'm sure you will tell me

iraj would not breed off cyrus,s dogs although he may have owned some of cyrus,s stuff through ..mamnounas

[stroller 341]

 

Heres my lads 1st cross salukix grey beautiful dog and he can catch if you give him two days notice and several hectares to run his quarry into a standstill. i personally love this dog to bits but he is the last one of his breed we will have i dont rate them going on the performance of him and others like him. Im sure the saluki snobs will shoot me down but they are quite a moronic breed. my next door neighbour has 3 pure bred dogs and they are loopy. i have experience of some of the arabic breeding (i lived in the middle east for a while) and they are as equally numb. but then again i have seen dogs that were exceptional but not consistent and for me thats what they lack some days they just cant be arsed wether its because their toast was buttered on both sides or the wind direction makes them look bad god knows or maybe i havent mastered the art of saluki training. Waste of time buy a gun and shoot your hares you will still have to pick them up yourself.

 

If you want to pay a fortune for imported blood lines then thats your business and i dont demean your efforts or commitment to a stunning breed but for the normal bloke ferreting or lamping rabbits and doing legal work these days are they a practical solution?

[riohog 5,714]

fair play to you we are all intitled to our oppinions for different reasons

[stroller 341]

Riohog i have followed some of your threads and they show an enormous depth and range of knowledge and your red dog is a stunning animal, equally so i will wait with interest to see how your pup does, not with the view to knocking yours or its efforts. your a true dog man and there are few enough of them about even on sites like this.

 

Thanks for the respect shown to my opinion.In return you have mine

[arcticgun 4,548]

Regarding saluki being plodders and needing acres of open fen to kill hares by running them dead, K&P Cruise of Shildon was entered and continued to run shortfield hares showing good early pace, on land that is a nightmare to run fences, livestock, hedges, quarry, woods, the usual stuff coursing events strive to aviod, and did very well at it as well, not only hare either slow ploddy type dogs who are shy of getting stuck in don't kill here, but that was then (pre ban).

 

What amazes me is what I used to think of as pure saluki has changed a lot since owning them, amazes me how much cross bred coursing dogs look like saluki, Tazi, Slougi,type saluki, they have developed feathered type same as pures from some regions, and also smooth coated type, again as pures have in certain lines and regions, looks to me like we have Uk saluki as well, by default, the coursing lines are that saturated with saluki.

 

The imports are a brave calculated move to better working saluki and that can only be positive in the long run, especially in the current hostile enviroment reagarding the ban, there is quality saluki in exsisting uk lines that much is obvious a little homework when looking to buy avoids disappointment The amount of people using saluki as all purpose lurchers is also encouraging, these lads had the money to buy any x they wanted, but chose saluki don't hear many of them complaining i think if the law had not stopped the likes of the forley cup eventually a pure would have won

 

atvb Richard

[riohog 5,714]

gret looking salukis ..come on richard... put him on

 

Twist my arm mate, Nero after a days shooting down country last week, he made just the one retrieve looking forward to a nice lazy summer

 

 

 

nice shooting ,

richard ..the iranian blood from ..iransamin you have in the ped of this saluki hasnt done any harm

[arcticgun 4,548]

gret looking salukis ..come on richard... put him on

 

Twist my arm mate, Nero after a days shooting down country last week, he made just the one retrieve looking forward to a nice lazy summer

 

 

 

nice shooting ,

richard ..the iranian blood from ..iransamin you have in the ped of this saluki hasnt done any harm

 

Although he is quite a big pup and still growing he is very fast from the off Rio, I see my beddy x (who is fully mature and no slouch) running flat out full tilt and then Nero just jogging along beside her the beddyx is is very fast bitch 100% heart, especially when on quarry, Im yet in my honest opinion to see Nero really open up, as a dog wil do when faced with quality quarry that has survived a season or two

 

Maybe I should never have run him so young, but I just knew he could handle it,and would not have worried had he come up short, I don't do disappointment with regards to my dogs. I have spent a lot of time working with him and observing his fitness and mindset,all that said attempting multiple runs would have been stupidity, at least now I know where Im at with him imho KizzyP gear are as fast as any lurcher if entered correctly, hopefully the outcross will add a little something else to the mix

 

atvb Richard

[riohog 5,714]

gret looking salukis ..come on richard... put him on

 

Twist my arm mate, Nero after a days shooting down country last week, he made just the one retrieve looking forward to a nice lazy summer

 

 

 

nice shooting ,

richard ..the iranian blood from ..iransamin you have in the ped of this saluki hasnt done any harm

 

Although he is quite a big pup and still growing he is very fast from the off Rio, I see my beddy x (who is fully mature and no slouch) running flat out full tilt and then Nero just jogging along beside her the beddyx is is very fast bitch 100% heart, especially when on quarry, Im yet in my honest opinion to see Nero really open up, as a dog wil do when faced with quality quarry that has survived a season or two

 

Maybe I should never have run him so young, but I just knew he could handle it,and would not have worried had he come up short, I don't do disappointment with regards to my dogs. I have spent a lot of time working with him and observing his fitness and mindset,all that said attempting multiple runs would have been stupidity, at least now I know where Im at with him imho KizzyP gear are as fast as any lurcher if entered correctly, hopefully the outcross will add a little something else to the mix

 

atvb Richard

ive got no doubt richard he will be quick

[righttoroam 12]

 

Heres my lads 1st cross salukix grey beautiful dog and he can catch if you give him two days notice and several hectares to run his quarry into a standstill. i personally love this dog to bits but he is the last one of his breed we will have i dont rate them going on the performance of him and others like him. Im sure the saluki snobs will shoot me down but they are quite a moronic breed. my next door neighbour has 3 pure bred dogs and they are loopy. i have experience of some of the arabic breeding (i lived in the middle east for a while) and they are as equally numb. but then again i have seen dogs that were exceptional but not consistent and for me thats what they lack some days they just cant be arsed wether its because their toast was buttered on both sides or the wind direction makes them look bad god knows or maybe i havent mastered the art of saluki training. Waste of time buy a gun and shoot your hares you will still have to pick them up yourself.

 

If you want to pay a fortune for imported blood lines then thats your business and i dont demean your efforts or commitment to a stunning breed but for the normal bloke ferreting or lamping rabbits and doing legal work these days are they a practical solution?

now someones yalking sense

[mush 204]

I have actually SEEN both these strains run,not just read their names from a KC reg (often inaccurate ) and,as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle :yes

The best salukis that I've personally seen have been a combination of the smooth cream Tepe Gawra derived dogs put to FASTER,(yes faster Mush)Kizzy/Pharaoh stuff:

 

we have gone over this before you repeating your self over and over again don't make it fact, if we was talking about the match dogs run on the fens and what did what and their breeding you would talk me under the table I'm sure, but not on salukis. Ive seen plenty of salukis bred from k/P lines run and a hell of a lot of other salukis run from many different lines, and their not the fastest by a long way there have been good fast salukis bred off the strain and there will be again but with the number bred of the line each year there should be one or two good ones, but there is more rubbish. the best were bred off k/P themselves.

 

I was on Boozers do on March fen, when Wilbur brought Star and her black and tan sister out of Fred (son of Mick Taylor's Fred...Pharaoh ). He slipped them doubled up (as they were only eleven months old at the time) this was always a big day with some very experienced dog men there, and to a man we couldn't believe how fast these little bitches were

Anyone who has ACTUALLY seen the K x P run for the first time is genuinely impressed with how quick they are after some of the rubbish written by theorists like Plummer et al

 

The saluki coursing club didn't like the Mick Taylor stuff and rubbished it, come to think of they didn't much like Durak............ from all accounts an incredible dog, but didn't conform their pretty show standard.

you mean the SGHC didn't like his stuff, but then they don't like anything thats not bred by them do they.

 

 

He was put to a bitch bred out of a Knightelligton dog(the only time he was used that i know of,travesty! ) to produce Faraah.:

Who was? durak was used more than one time cant remember a Knightelligton one tho. faraah was used only two times that i know of.

 

Vance P used Faraah over his K X P bitch to combine the speed and style of that strain with the strength and outright stay of the TG stuff.

So what your saying is Vance put his bitch to a slower dog than what his bitch was LOL, think he was smarter than that.

[mush 204]

Riohog i have followed some of your threads and they show an enormous depth and range of knowledge and your red dog is a stunning animal, equally so i will wait with interest to see how your pup does, not with the view to knocking yours or its efforts. your a true dog man and there are few enough of them about even on sites like this.

 

Thanks for the respect shown to my opinion.In return you have mine

Funny how he didn't jump all over you like he did with another poster when you put a picture up of a feathered first cross but riohog is wright you dont get them

[bigliks 601]

Riohog i have followed some of your threads and they show an enormous depth and range of knowledge and your red dog is a stunning animal, equally so i will wait with interest to see how your pup does, not with the view to knocking yours or its efforts. your a true dog man and there are few enough of them about even on sites like this.

 

Thanks for the respect shown to my opinion.In return you have mine

Funny how he didn't jump all over you like he did with another poster when you put a picture up of a feathered first cross but riohog is wright you dont get them

or black and tan

[mush 204]

 

Heres my lads 1st cross salukix grey beautiful dog and he can catch if you give him two days notice and several hectares to run his quarry into a standstill. i personally love this dog to bits but he is the last one of his breed we will have i dont rate them going on the performance of him and others like him. Im sure the saluki snobs will shoot me down but they are quite a moronic breed. my next door neighbour has 3 pure bred dogs and they are loopy. i have experience of some of the arabic breeding (i lived in the middle east for a while) and they are as equally numb. but then again i have seen dogs that were exceptional but not consistent and for me thats what they lack some days they just cant be arsed wether its because their toast was buttered on both sides or the wind direction makes them look bad god knows or maybe i havent mastered the art of saluki training. Waste of time buy a gun and shoot your hares you will still have to pick them up yourself.

 

If you want to pay a fortune for imported blood lines then thats your business and i dont demean your efforts or commitment to a stunning breed but for the normal bloke ferreting or lamping rabbits and doing legal work these days are they a practical solution?

a lot think the same as you , Some of its down to that some aren't suited to training salukis, but i think a lot of what you have said is down to using any old saluki dog to breed from( not saying you have LOL), I was always told to breed from the best you can and not just because its near or the only one you know of.

[mush 204]

Riohog i have followed some of your threads and they show an enormous depth and range of knowledge and your red dog is a stunning animal, equally so i will wait with interest to see how your pup does, not with the view to knocking yours or its efforts. your a true dog man and there are few enough of them about even on sites like this.

 

Thanks for the respect shown to my opinion.In return you have mine

Funny how he didn't jump all over you like he did with another poster when you put a picture up of a feathered first cross but riohog is wright you dont get them

or black and tan

never thought about it but if you cant get black and tan greyhounds you wont get a first cross saluki greyhound of that colour as both parents have to have it in their genes to get the colour as its a recessive colour i think

[stroller 341]

you could be right mate i dont know much about genetics or this dogs breeding its my sons dog and it suits him, but it isnt for me. but ive seen more mediocre collie xs do better than some of the best salukis. but my sport isnt hares on big fields.

 

Give this dog his due he does mark warrens and he is a good sporting companion and he can jump over the moon, he walks to heel sits and stays on command and is a briliant dog in the house. but he hasnt got that consistency of a true grafter if that makes sense