22 hornet

[Alan108 0]

I just wish that more would see it as a really serious alternative to a .17hmr,the reloading cost can be less than the cost of .17 ammo,the other plus side is the amount of energy in the .22 hornet making it ideal for fox as well as rabbits.

 

Alan

Edited January 20, 2010 by Alan108

[blackstairs boy 0]

I would reload rounds for the 22 hornet if i could get the permits and all. But here in ireland the whole firearms licencing system is being changed at the mo and i have a big enough pain in the arse tryin to get my shotgun relicenced ( its been goin on 5 weeks and still no progress ) so i dont know what it would be like tryin to get a permit for the powders and all that.. I m still torn between the two rifles

17 hmr : good on all corvids and rabbits to 150 yrds and fox to 60 yrds , rounds are cheap

22 hornet: good to 200 yrds on fox , overkill on rabbits though and expensive to shoot

so which do i go for extra range at an extra cost or less range but much more rounds for my money ?

anyway cheers for the advice,

boy

[slingshot 0]

If you are going to shoot corvids and rabbits most of the time go for the 17hmr because they are more accurate and shoot alot flatter than a hornet. If a hornet is zeroed for 100 yards by the time it has reach 200 yards it will be 7 inchs low. Has long as you shoot a fox between the eyes and not a body shot(heart/lungs) the 17hmr will do the jod fine out to 130 yards

I would reload rounds for the 22 hornet if i could get the permits and all. But here in ireland the whole firearms licencing system is being changed at the mo and i have a big enough pain in the arse tryin to get my shotgun relicenced ( its been goin on 5 weeks and still no progress ) so i dont know what it would be like tryin to get a permit for the powders and all that.. I m still torn between the two rifles

17 hmr : good on all corvids and rabbits to 150 yrds and fox to 60 yrds , rounds are cheap

22 hornet: good to 200 yrds on fox , overkill on rabbits though and expensive to shoot

so which do i go for extra range at an extra cost or less range but much more rounds for my money ?

anyway cheers for the advice,

boy

[Mr_Logic 5]

Slingshot, please don't talk rubbish, which you are at the moment. 22 Hornet shoots faster and flatter than a 17HMR, and it is just as accurate if you reload it and you have a half decent rifle (I've had 3, they all shot straight!).

 

And... a Hornet is better in the wind, depending on the bullet you use. Easy choice for me between the 2, and it's not HMR!

 

 

[Alan108 0]

The hornet firing a 35 gn v-max bullet and zeroed at 150 yds will be 1" high at 100 yds and still carry 375 ft/lbs of energy.and at 150 yds 266 ft/lbs,compare that to a .17,at 100 yds only 116 ft/lbs. No contest. IMO a .17 is a superb rabbit rifle up to 150 yds ,but doesn't carry the energy to be a really effective fox rifle.My .22 CZ Hornet is the best rifle I have for the purpose,I quite often use it instead of the .223.

 

Alan

[slingshot 0]

Having shot both 17 and hornet,, the muzzle velocity of them both from factor loads is around 2400-2500 it is only when you start to reload your own that you can start to push the velocity upto 3000 depending on bullet weight. If he is only going to use factory loads most 17 will group 1/2" to 3/4"(fragment far better), where as the hornets is around 11/4" to 11/2". Yes the hornet is better for foxes and if he is prepared to reload his own it will be cheaper.

Slingshot, please don't talk rubbish, which you are at the moment. 22 Hornet shoots faster and flatter than a 17HMR, and it is just as accurate if you reload it and you have a half decent rifle (I've had 3, they all shot straight!).

 

And... a Hornet is better in the wind, depending on the bullet you use. Easy choice for me between the 2, and it's not HMR!

[blackstairs boy 0]

cheers boys

boy

[Mr_Logic 5]

Slingshot, unfortunately what you say is very far from the truth. If you use a 46gr or 45gr bullet, factory load, then you are looking at 2500 to 2600 from a factory load, and you're looking at about 1" groups. I know, all my rifles shot factory to those parameters.

 

if you use the Hornady 35gr load, you are looking at 3000+ fps and sub 1" groups. Unless you use crap ammo, Hornet destroys HMR. The cost is prohibitive unless you reload, but that's the only factor counting against it.

[slingshot 0]

Slingshot, unfortunately what you say is very far from the truth. If you use a 46gr or 45gr bullet, factory load, then you are looking at 2500 to 2600 from a factory load, and you're looking at about 1" groups. I know, all my rifles shot factory to those parameters.

 

if you use the Hornady 35gr load, you are looking at 3000+ fps and sub 1" groups. Unless you use crap ammo, Hornet destroys HMR. The cost is prohibitive unless you reload, but that's the only factor counting against it.

[mattydski 560]

[slingshot 0]

I'm not trying to say that the hornet is the right or wrong choice but is it the SAFEST option. Since Blackstairs Boy has given no details of the land he intends to shoot over, ricochet and over kill are a real possibility with a hornet. The hmr has a much more fragmentable bullet and upto 130 yard will do the job on a fox (zeroed at 100yards it is 0.1" high at 50 yards and 2.5" low at150 yards). At the end of the day it will be upto the police which calibre he can use. But if he has the option he must take into account. (1) is the land stoney/rocky (2)Is livestock and public nearby (3)Do I know where the bullet is going to land if I miss. SATTY IS PARAMOUNT and that why I was fighting the 17hmr corner.

Slingshot, unfortunately what you say is very far from the truth. If you use a 46gr or 45gr bullet, factory load, then you are looking at 2500 to 2600 from a factory load, and you're looking at about 1" groups. I know, all my rifles shot factory to those parameters.

 

if you use the Hornady 35gr load, you are looking at 3000+ fps and sub 1" groups. Unless you use crap ammo, Hornet destroys HMR. The cost is prohibitive unless you reload, but that's the only factor counting against it.

[Colster 1]

Not wanting to throw any spanners in the works but where do you guys see 17Mach2 fitting in here? Actually heard one the other day and was surprised how well it moderated but don't know much else about them apart from ammo can be a bit scarce

[Mr_Logic 5]

22 Hornet with a v-max tip is equally frangible. It's also going faster so it's very likely to fragment instead of ricochet. I've used both rounds, I've not seen anywhere that I could take the shot with HMR but I couldn't with Hornet.

[danebrewer10 6]

have you thought of .22 wmr??

good distance,good power and still relatively quiet( moderated so i'm told. i had one for years but never had a mod as it was over and under with 20gauge shot).

the price of hornet rounds is over the top

 

Yknow I was going to say the same thing- heavier bullets than the HMR, better terminal ballistics on foxes I would have thought, and equally suitable for bunnies...

as for the frangible nature of ballistic tipped bullets, try a copper jacketed soft nose or something like that I think federal make something along those lines

Edited January 25, 2010 by danebrewer10

[blackstairs boy 0]

I intend to use the rifle locally which is a mountinous region. It is very safe country for rifle shooting because it is very hilly. Regardless of calibre you must be very careful with backstops, livestock etc. I will prob go for 17hmr as it gives me the best all round rifle in my opinion (i m not saying its better it is just better suited for me )In the ideal world i would love to be able to have both but unfortunatley we do not live in the ideal world...

cheers

boy