Lewdan 17 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hi all, do you think there will be any change in legislation,(in the near future ) to allow shooting of Roe, Munty ect with .223 and bring us inline with Scotland. My ticket is coming up for renewal and thinking of adding this calibre, be a bonus if it can be used on deer. Cheers LD Quote Link to post
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hi all, do you think there will be any change in legislation,(in the near future ) to allow shooting of Roe, Munty ect with .223 and bring us inline with Scotland. My ticket is coming up for renewal and thinking of adding this calibre, be a bonus if it can be used on deer. Cheers LD Current laws in england allow use of .223 for munty and CWD, with a 50grains bullet. Ug Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hi all, do you think there will be any change in legislation,(in the near future ) to allow shooting of Roe, Munty ect with .223 and bring us inline with Scotland. My ticket is coming up for renewal and thinking of adding this calibre, be a bonus if it can be used on deer. Cheers LD Current laws in england allow use of .223 for munty and CWD, with a 50grains bullet. Ug Any .220 cf, as you say min 50gr expanding bullet, 1000ft.lbs. so .223 perfectly ok PROVIDED your FAC is conditioned for deer Ric Quote Link to post
danebrewer10 6 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I asked this question in the deer section a few days ago- general consensus is no. you can shoot as others have said CWD and Muntjac with a .22 cf, bullet weight must be at least 50gn and making 1000 ft/lbs, i reckon the Remington core lokt ultra bonded or nosler partition would be good choices, in 62 and 60gn respectively but no, i think there was discussion a few years back on whether .223 should be allowed for roe and again the decision was no DB Quote Link to post
andyf 144 Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 Hi: Why even think about being on the 'edge' of legality with a .223, just apply for a .243, with 100gr bullets it is deer legal, but it's also a recognised Fox calibre. Down here (in Devon) our Firearms people are very pro, so if you have the land/permissions NO PROBLEM. If I were you I would apply for a 22.250 and a .243 you don't have to buy both or either, but you have 5 years to close the deal. Andy F. Quote Link to post
jamie g 17 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 i cant see it changing here anytime soon. sill really a 22 centrefire will kill a roe easy enough imo. Quote Link to post
Lewdan 17 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hi: Why even think about being on the 'edge' of legality with a .223, just apply for a .243, with 100gr bullets it is deer legal, but it's also a recognised Fox calibre. Down here (in Devon) our Firearms people are very pro, so if you have the land/permissions NO PROBLEM. If I were you I would apply for a 22.250 and a .243 you don't have to buy both or either, but you have 5 years to close the deal. Andy F. Good point Andy, 243cal had also been in mind and i have also posted a thread in DEER SECTION, asking about other legal aspects of starting out on deer stalking ect. tbh i already have a .22K hornet that is excellent on fox so as you say .243 may be best option.As stated in other replies .223 will certainly kill a Roe, but who knows when it will be legal in E&W Thanks all LD Quote Link to post
Deker 3,477 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 After Roe was taken out of the 1991 Deer Act amendment at the last minute, back in 2007 in England and Wales for the .22 Centrefires, I don't see it being changed any time soon. I have no wish to debate the right or wrong of this, MY .223 is conditioned for Roe in Scotland, and suffice to say I have dropped several large Roe at over 200 yards with one shot!!! Quote Link to post
The Seeker 3,048 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 After Roe was taken out of the 1991 Deer Act amendment at the last minute, back in 2007 in England and Wales for the .22 Centrefires, I don't see it being changed any time soon. I have no wish to debate the right or wrong of this, MY .223 is conditioned for Roe in Scotland, and suffice to say I have dropped several large Roe at over 200 yards with one shot!!! Its crazy though why can it be legal to shoot roe in scotland with a .223 but not in England etc....? Its either suitible or it isnt which obviously it is, bloody ridiculas if you ask me Quote Link to post
bob.243 8,281 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 After Roe was taken out of the 1991 Deer Act amendment at the last minute, back in 2007 in England and Wales for the .22 Centrefires, I don't see it being changed any time soon. I have no wish to debate the right or wrong of this, MY .223 is conditioned for Roe in Scotland, and suffice to say I have dropped several large Roe at over 200 yards with one shot!!! Its crazy though why can it be legal to shoot roe in scotland with a .223 but not in England etc....? Its either suitible or it isnt which obviously it is, bloody ridiculas if you ask me Hi Seeker, Your spot on, there is no difference between Scottish Roe and English Roe, I personally use a .22-250, and never have had a problem, drops them on the spot, engine room or neck shots, it drops them on the spot, the .222 and .223 is similar, the .22-250 will take them a bit further out, if looks right I will take the shot, and I've never had a problem. Bob. Quote Link to post
Fishslayer 10 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 (edited) Here are a couple links to various discussions about using .223 on deer. Opinions vary. AR15.com deer hunting forum TX Hunting Forum Cheers, Mark Edited January 17, 2010 by Fishslayer Quote Link to post
danw 1,748 Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 If it wasn't for the old school British deer society brigadiers we would be using .22 cf on roe now but the mere thought of some whipper snapper shooting their beloved roe with a rifle that is loaded from the breach got their mustaches twitching so much that they had a good old moan at the government and this is the legislation we are left with will we ever get .22 cf to use on roe? not in my lifetime our yours Quote Link to post
RicW 67 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 After Roe was taken out of the 1991 Deer Act amendment at the last minute, back in 2007 in England and Wales for the .22 Centrefires, I don't see it being changed any time soon. I have no wish to debate the right or wrong of this, MY .223 is conditioned for Roe in Scotland, and suffice to say I have dropped several large Roe at over 200 yards with one shot!!! Wha? Several with one shot? Wha'da fuk were you using? 14.5 mm Dragunov? Sorry . . . couldn't resist it. Ric Quote Link to post
hiluxmk3 1 Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hi all, do you think there will be any change in legislation,(in the near future ) to allow shooting of Roe, Munty ect with .223 and bring us inline with Scotland. My ticket is coming up for renewal and thinking of adding this calibre, be a bonus if it can be used on deer. Cheers LD simple mate move up to Scotland we like you welsh guys Quote Link to post
Lewdan 17 Posted January 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hi all, do you think there will be any change in legislation,(in the near future ) to allow shooting of Roe, Munty ect with .223 and bring us inline with Scotland. My ticket is coming up for renewal and thinking of adding this calibre, be a bonus if it can be used on deer. Cheers LD simple mate move up to Scotland we like you welsh guys Thanks for the offer mate, ill think about that one Quote Link to post
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