lone hound???

[jamie2004live 163]

at the moment looking in to getting an allotment or a suitable place to kennell another dog as the yards full with 3 . anyway was wondering on what advice you lads have got with regards to running a single hound, it would get to see a lot of action round the holes and really the whole point of it is to run a few more to ground for extra terrierwork. have been out with a mates bassetts before and they were really easy to keep up with unlike a harrier! so was thinking of one of them or maybie a beagle or even teagle. has anyone else ever done this?? finnaly do you think a teagles are good at staying with lines over a long period?

[mart 131]

i run a single hound for hare, flush to gun.

a friend of mine run a single hound for fox, and another friend runs a beagle for fox.

as long as the fox does´nt notice you it will stay in the same area, basically running around in circles.

with the beagle the fox tends to take smaller laps and be a bit more relaxed, with the hound its pretty much the opposite.

 

edited to say that foxes have never gone to ground when we have hunted with the beagle.

Edited January 13, 2010 by mart

[jamie2004live 163]

so are you saying the beagle maybie aint puting enough preasure on? strange would of thought a beagle would be faster than a basset as the bassetts put there fair share to ground. would also be for the hunt with the added bonus of terrierwork

[mart 131]

was`nt thinking about bassets, the hounds we use are one of these

and one of those

[mart 131]

i believe that it has more do with the way that they give tounge, than the speed of the chase.

the dogs that we use that shut up when they loose track of the fox or when they are far behind, will more often chase a fox to ground.

the ones that won`t shut up when they first have opened up, rarely chases to ground.

the supposed reason for this is that the fox feels more in control when chased by the second type.

[jamie2004live 163]

i believe that it has more do with the way that they give tounge, than the speed of the chase.

the dogs that we use that shut up when they loose track of the fox or when they are far behind, will more often chase a fox to ground.

the ones that won`t shut up when they first have opened up, rarely chases to ground.

the supposed reason for this is that the fox feels more in control when chased by the second type.

 

cheers

[william slater mcgregor 2]

you must remember not all hounds will stay at a hole when a fox has run in atb

 

 

[forest of dean redneck 11,532]

if i kept a dog on an allotment round here it would be nicked in a week.

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

at the moment looking in to getting an allotment or a suitable place to kennell another dog as the yards full with 3 . anyway was wondering on what advice you lads have got with regards to running a single hound, it would get to see a lot of action round the holes and really the whole point of it is to run a few more to ground for extra terrierwork. have been out with a mates bassetts before and they were really easy to keep up with unlike a harrier! so was thinking of one of them or maybie a beagle or even teagle. has anyone else ever done this?? finnaly do you think a teagles are good at staying with lines over a long period?

Alright Jam, ive worked teagle and spaniel/terrier types before, and some of my mates still use beagles and beagle crosses. Ive also seen some excellent welsh hound cross springers. These cross-breds are best for hunting fox out of big and small covers. They will put some to ground if under pressure, but if the fox goes away its gone, they dont stick on a line like a pure hound will(some might). If you want the hunted foxes put to ground you will be better with a pure hound.

Bassets are the easiest to keep up with... The welsh hounds have an excellent reputation for being good single handed hounds, but id recomend using a tracking collar with it! good luck I might even get a hound myself to join the pack once im settled somewhere.

Edited January 14, 2010 by dogs-n-natives

[kevin kiely 66]

Alright Jam, ive worked teagle and spaniel/terrier types before, and some of my mates still use beagles and beagle crosses. Ive also seen some excellent welsh hound cross springers. These cross-breds are best for hunting fox out of big and small covers. They will put some to ground if under pressure, but if the fox goes away its gone, they dont stick on a line like a pure hound will(some might). If you want the hunted foxes put to ground you will be better with a pure hound.

Bassets are the easiest to keep up with... The welsh hounds have an excellent reputation for being good single handed hounds, but id recomend using a tracking collar with it! good luck I might even get a hound myself to join the pack once im settled somewhere.

hows it goin mate.which dogs do you think find more game the teagles or spaniel x terriers,id like to know your opinion of them because im thinking of getting one of them

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

Alright Jam, ive worked teagle and spaniel/terrier types before, and some of my mates still use beagles and beagle crosses. Ive also seen some excellent welsh hound cross springers. These cross-breds are best for hunting fox out of big and small covers. They will put some to ground if under pressure, but if the fox goes away its gone, they dont stick on a line like a pure hound will(some might). If you want the hunted foxes put to ground you will be better with a pure hound.

Bassets are the easiest to keep up with... The welsh hounds have an excellent reputation for being good single handed hounds, but id recomend using a tracking collar with it! good luck I might even get a hound myself to join the pack once im settled somewhere.

hows it goin mate.which dogs do you think find more game the teagles or spaniel x terriers,id like to know your opinion of them because im thinking of getting one of them

Hello, I started with a terrier/beagle but this bitch was soon bettered by my home bred spaniel/terrier who was a great finder and even when worked with the pure beagles, it was often her who spoke first. Mad keen, good voice, would bush close as she was obedient, and would also hunt a large wood or resh bed out on her own.

Both crosses are very good for bushing and driving game/vermin from cover... and as a general rule,(but not always the case) the more hound in it, the better/further it will follow the line, and a good voice. One of my terrier/spaniels was mute (i gave him to a local keeper, as he was very steady, he made a good beating dog)

Man I miss them hounds

[kevin kiely 66]

thanks for the reply mate,it sounds spot on.that sounds like a great bitch.id prefer the span/terrier myself due to trainability and coat but as you said the hound influence would make teagles more effective at following a line.could you tell me:

-would the beagle cross be more switched on to fox(pre ban),as spaniels are bred for birds too ?

-when pushing rabbits off a ditch would a teagle give tongue and frighten rabbits further up the field?

-are teagles too noisy to be kennelled with neighbours houses either side?

-what breed of terrier would you recommended for either cross?

Edited January 15, 2010 by kevin kiely

[jack crowley 5]

one hound isnt going to be enough to drive foxes to ground

[jamie2004live 163]

one hound isnt going to be enough to drive foxes to ground

 

jack youre 16 you liitle tit my terrier has ran foxes to ground, do you no what they are??

 

and in reply to michael, a do like the look of the welsh ones good coat which would certainly be of benefit up here and there gameness would be handy round the holes. think the teagles are going to be a no no then as you no what brocks like he will bush out forestrys and is able to take lines for so long. what im really wanting is something that is able to keep lines on vast open moors/fells and a think a tracking collar is something else ill have to look in to, and finnaly my plan is to wind you up and tempt you in to getting one aswell

Edited January 15, 2010 by jamie2004live

[dogs-n-natives 1,182]

thanks for the reply mate,it sounds spot on.that sounds like a great bitch.id prefer the span/terrier myself due to trainability and coat but as you said the hound influence would make teagles more effective at following a line.could you tell me:

-would the beagle cross be more switched on to fox(pre ban),as spaniels are bred for birds too ?

-when pushing rabbits off a ditch would a teagle give tongue and frighten rabbits further up the field?

-are teagles too noisy to be kennelled with neighbours houses either side?

-what breed of terrier would you recommended for either cross?

At the end of the day, these are just my opinions mate, based on what ive done and seen, im no expert by a long shot!! There will be people much more experienced that run cross-breds, who will give you info about the dogs they use! All the best mate!

- The spaniel that sired mine is a great fox dog for a spaniel. But the crosses are far superior to a spaniel for evicting a fox from a wood, the spaniel/terrier would hunt it right out of cover every time, and giving tongue like crazy. They work the same as the beagle blooded dogs, but like i said, will not hunt out all that far... Its all how you enter them, dont forget the terrier side of things, they are game wee feckers, they can be trained to hunt any quarry you like. Most spaniels and spaniel crosses love fox hunting if brought up for the job. My female wouldnt finish a wounded fox off, but most will easily, she prefered to bay it up! And mine were totally broken to gamebirds so i had the trust of the keepers whoose land i worked over(as well as my own shoot). Should retrieve well too!

-Teagle will give tongue on bunnies if you hunt them, and so aye it might scare some off out in the fields, but i find its the ones in cover that stay put. Lurchers soon make a good team with them, and if loose they will home in on the music and push ahead for a go at the quarry.

-Teagles usually are no worse than other dogs as long as they dont get bored. The more dogs you keep, the more likely they will break into song, but this can be nipped in the bud, if you rebuke straight away. Dont leave for long periods and keep em busy.

- Ive seen excellent russel crosses, with both spaniel and beagle. Mine were cocker spaniel/patt/russel. Id think any breed would do the job. But with hindsight, a leggier strain of terrier may be best. Coat type may help your decision? I had rough and smooth coated, but always black, with white blaze, some white toes.

heres two pups one one of their first hunts, pics from late summer, cocker/pat/russel I dont own them but im hoping to get back into the hounds or cross-breds one day.