Am after some parenting advice?

[craigyboy 1,274]

No-one has ever died from an overdose of cannabis. The amount needed to kill you compared to the amount needed to produce active effects (i.e., get you high) is something like 10,000 times as much, maybe more. You certainly get sick if you've had too much, and there can be psychological effects but physically, cannabis is a very safe drug. Compare this to alcohol, where the ratio of fatal dose to active dose can be as low as 10:1 in some cases. The long term effects of alcohol use are also more damaging. Alcohol-related deaths run into the tens of thousands every year in Britain alone, and this does not include people killed by drunken drivers, beaten up by pissed-up idiots(or husbands), etc. etc. Cannabis, on the other hand, reduces violent tendencies. If both cannabis and alcohol were illegal but there was a choice of legalising one, I know which one I'd choose.

What we need - again - is clear, impartial, rational information on the pros and cons of drugs, as is generally given out for alcohol. Merely loading on the negative does nothing to prevent the teenager experimenting, for they hear one thing from "authority" and another from friends who have a different idea of "truth". In the end, the teenager realises authority is talking bullshit. If authority treated its citizens like adults, and said - "look, it's up to you what you do with your body as long as you don't hurt anyone else: here are the pros and cons, we trust you to make up your own mind", not only might we have a more sensible drugs policy, we'd have a better opinion about authority full stop. If only.

Edited January 14, 2010 by craigyboy

[dog fox 16]

i would say thats the norm for a 15 year old boy in this day an age ,wouldnt worry to much normally keeps them out of trouble if anything . i have 2 boys myself 22 and 18 and both of them smoke it ,its just something lads do at that age he will grow out off it one day ,at least normally they just stay in on the xbox and get stonned and you know were they are most of the time instead of wondering were they are and what they are up to ,as for his dad he,ll crawl back into the wood work when your lad starts hounding him for money all the time,and kay that doe,s surprise me that you got one too (lol)

 

I can't believe that anyone would take this point of view, it's not just that the lad may have been smoking the stuff, it's that his so-called dad was trying to get him to deal for him. He's only just 15 for god's sake, what happens once the police have him on their radar as a dealer? I certainly wouldn't be happy if my son was sitting on his bum all day playing games and smoking!

 

Perhaps a word with the local bobbies might be an idea, just to sound them out as to whether they could send someone round (a community officer or someone) to have a gentle talk with your son about the consequences of being done as a dealer. That's if there are any further problems about it. Hopefully the chat with the lad will have persuaded him that it isn't worth it, I think you have done the right thing.

 

didnt mean the selling of it and i think you new that

 

Well no, because you didn't say, but fair enough. Not criticising here because it's nothing to do with me but I'm curious, if your son is 22 when do you think he'll "grow out of it"? Someone close to me was smoking a lot of weed as a teenager and it lost him a couple of good jobs, as well as nearly burning my parents house down. The odd joint here and there is one thing, but regularly getting stoned is not something I consider healthy. And yes, I have tried it (I also tried it as a painkiller but without too much success), but never, ever since my child was born.

 

well like i said he,s 22 years of age (an adult ) so thats up to him ,he works and dosnt drink at all ,would rather him have a spliff or 2 now and again than be up town every weekend getting pissed and into fights and loads of bother ,both my lads have an heart of gold and would never burgle someones house or theive off anyone ,its not a perfect world we live in and i think ive done alright with bringing them up ,i know a lot worse people that come from very good familys and hey its 2010 ,at least he hasnt come home telling me he,s gay and that he,s getting wed to some faggot good luck with your perfect family and thats not a pisstake ,i realy hope it all works out for you because paranting is hard work at the best of times,oh and did you tell your mum and dad that you used to smoke it now and again ......the very best of luck with the future

[craigyboy 1,274]

Jan Betts, a noted anti-drug campaigner in the UK (her daughter Leah died from taking an Ecstacy tablet at a nightclub aged 18). She pointed out that cannabis is an undesirable drug because it makes people "lose their respect for authority - they won't get up in the morning if they can buy it in the shop".

 

The irony of that comment wasn't lost on me. What she was saying, basically, was that cannabis leads to people thinking for themselves, and this is a bad thing!! God forbid that we should ever allow the people access to a drug that might stop them blindly accepting the shit we're fed every day by the press and government! Heaven help us if suddenly people reject the work ethic bullshit (work, consume, be happy, we'll look after you, we have your interests at heart)! Oh my God - a drug that gives people independence of thought, flexibility of mind! Ban it, ban it now!

 

Generalisation is the death of any argument. Look, after a night out on the booze, I'm sure we all know how hard it can be to get up in the morning then. But we do get up, because most of the time, life is worth getting up for - and if it's not, that's not the fault of the alcohol, it's the fault of life itself. I'll present my case again. I've held down a 25K a year job for the last 20 yrs as well as studying countryside management. And throughout almost all that time I've smoked cannabis, not every day, but regularly. I get up in the morning because my life, my family, my friends and my job give me reason to get up. If your teenage son or daughter can't be bothered with life, don't blame cannabis. Look at yourselves.

Edited January 14, 2010 by craigyboy

[craigyboy 1,274]

six million people in the UK have used cannabis in the last month. Society is not disintegrating as a result. And compare this to foxhunting, the banning of which its practitioners believe will lead to negative effects on society as a whole. How many people have hunted with hounds in the last month? Even if it's as many as 60,000, that's only 1% of the number of cannabis smokers. Lines drawn around legislation are often arbitrary. Are you saying that each and every one of these 6 million is a desperate loser, a waster, a drop-out? Bollocks. Most of them will be people you know, holding down good jobs, good lives, good families. Let's look at the empirical facts - cannabis use exists, and is not doing the UK any harm. (Nor is Holland a country sinking into a pit of cannabis-inspired debauchery, and they decriminalised it nearly 25 years ago.)

The "evil dealer" is another myth. Most people buy from friends. Cut out the dealers that do exist by decriminalising and encouraging people to grow their own.

That's it - here endeth the lesson. Thanks for reading, even if you don't agree with me and are now angry enough to need a stiff drink. I leave you with this line: it isn't mine, but unfortunately, I can't remember who said it:

 

A CRUTCH IS A CRUTCH, WHETHER IT'S MADE OF WOOD OR ALUMINIUM

Edited January 14, 2010 by craigyboy

[Nik_B 3,790]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

[craigyboy 1,274]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

i compare booze with drugs because thats what it is and a far more dangerous and addictive 1 at that and no i wouldnt give my kids any form of drugs but when theyre old enough to try out things i know which of the two id like them to stay away from

Edited January 14, 2010 by craigyboy

[zap 4]

so basically the scumbag has saw the lad as a way of selling more stuff for him rather than a son ,get it through the lads head he is just using him

[Kay 3,709]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

 

Totally agree with you Nik , as i said on this thread earlier my eldest son has taken weed & christ knows what else & he is a shell , has no interest in aything only sitting in a room playing on a games console , thats his life now . i shame to say i walked past him in the street & didnt even recognise him it wasnt untill my younger son said '' thats Tom Mom''

 

If only i could turn the clock back , but as much as i love him i dont know him

[njc110381 0]

I really hope your lad sees sense and pushes this scum bag away. He's obviously got no interest in the kid at all. I'm really sorry to hear he's got this far.

 

If it was me and this scum bag still has a dabble with the hard stuff I'd be tempted to approach a higher end dealer and offer whatever it costs to get the best and cleanest 100% nasty stuff you can. Then get it to him on the cheap, priced at next to nothing as low priced junk that needs a good strong dose to work. That should sort him

[craigyboy 1,274]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

 

Totally agree with you Nik , as i said on this thread earlier my eldest son has taken weed & christ knows what else & he is a shell , has no interest in aything only sitting in a room playing on a games console , thats his life now . i shame to say i walked past him in the street & didnt even recognise him it wasnt untill my younger son said '' thats Tom Mom''

 

If only i could turn the clock back , but as much as i love him i dont know him

its the"christ knows what else" you should be worrying about

[atuddy 179]

Jan Betts, a noted anti-drug campaigner in the UK (her daughter Leah died from taking an Ecstacy tablet at a nightclub aged 18). She pointed out that cannabis is an undesirable drug because it makes people "lose their respect for authority - they won't get up in the morning if they can buy it in the shop".

 

The irony of that comment wasn't lost on me. What she was saying, basically, was that cannabis leads to people thinking for themselves, and this is a bad thing!! God forbid that we should ever allow the people access to a drug that might stop them blindly accepting the shit we're fed every day by the press and government! Heaven help us if suddenly people reject the work ethic bullshit (work, consume, be happy, we'll look after you, we have your interests at heart)! Oh my God - a drug that gives people independence of thought, flexibility of mind! Ban it, ban it now!

 

Generalisation is the death of any argument. Look, after a night out on the booze, I'm sure we all know how hard it can be to get up in the morning then. But we do get up, because most of the time, life is worth getting up for - and if it's not, that's not the fault of the alcohol, it's the fault of life itself. I'll present my case again. I've held down a 25K a year job for the last 20 yrs as well as studying countryside management. And throughout almost all that time I've smoked cannabis, not every day, but regularly. I get up in the morning because my life, my family, my friends and my job give me reason to get up. If your teenage son or daughter can't be bothered with life, don't blame cannabis. Look at yourselves.

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[Nik_B 3,790]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

 

Totally agree with you Nik , as i said on this thread earlier my eldest son has taken weed & christ knows what else & he is a shell , has no interest in aything only sitting in a room playing on a games console , thats his life now . i shame to say i walked past him in the street & didnt even recognise him it wasnt untill my younger son said '' thats Tom Mom''

 

If only i could turn the clock back , but as much as i love him i dont know him

 

Sorry to hear that Kay. If there is any consolation both me and my second brother were both like that for many years. I met my wife and her little girl who gave me a purpose in life. I then pulled my shit together and went to Uni, now I have a pretty ok job. My brother now runs a small body shop. Saddly we both put out parents through hell.

 

I dunno why lads especially are drawn to such destructive behavoiur all I know is that alot of lads could do benefit from a more structured life style.

 

Craig all drugs are bad for kids, being adult is also knowing where to draw the line betwen a sensible drink/smoke and wasting their lives away like an addict. I'm not having a go at you or your choice, as you say alcohol is worse that smoking weed but I'd rather my kids grew up not feeling that they HAVE to do either. I recon I was pretty lucky, several of my mates ended up smack heads, others coke heads, others never made anything of themselves. Life is a fine ballance.

[craigyboy 1,274]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

 

Totally agree with you Nik , as i said on this thread earlier my eldest son has taken weed & christ knows what else & he is a shell , has no interest in aything only sitting in a room playing on a games console , thats his life now . i shame to say i walked past him in the street & didnt even recognise him it wasnt untill my younger son said '' thats Tom Mom''

 

If only i could turn the clock back , but as much as i love him i dont know him

 

Sorry to hear that Kay. If there is any consolation both me and my second brother were both like that for many years. I met my wife and her little girl who gave me a purpose in life. I then pulled my shit together and went to Uni, now I have a pretty ok job. My brother now runs a small body shop. Saddly we both put out parents through hell.

 

I dunno why lads especially are drawn to such destructive behavoiur all I know is that alot of lads could do benefit from a more structured life style.

 

Craig all drugs are bad for kids, being adult is also knowing where to draw the line betwen a sensible drink/smoke and wasting their lives away like an addict. I'm not having a go at you or your choice, as you say alcohol is worse that smoking weed but I'd rather my kids grew up not feeling that they HAVE to do either. I recon I was pretty lucky, several of my mates ended up smack heads, others coke heads, others never made anything of themselves. Life is a fine ballance.

Edited January 14, 2010 by craigyboy

[Kay 3,709]

You're missing the point fella. This isn't an arguement on drugs should be banned or not. I'd legalise the lot to keep people away from the dealers and so they aren't filled with nasty chemical etc.

 

The point of this thread is some sad tw4t feeding drugs to a child and 15 is still a child. His body or mind hasn't finished growing. I wouldn't advocate giving a 15 yearold a load of booze either.

 

When a parent gives alcohol or drugs to their child it is encouraging them to take them.

 

Also why is it that the term paranoid is banded around so much in the weed smoking fraternity? You know exactly why, weed affects the mind and if you are a stable person then you might not be affected psychologically but a child is another story.

 

You compare booze with drugs but do you or would you feed drink to your kids either?

 

Totally agree with you Nik , as i said on this thread earlier my eldest son has taken weed & christ knows what else & he is a shell , has no interest in aything only sitting in a room playing on a games console , thats his life now . i shame to say i walked past him in the street & didnt even recognise him it wasnt untill my younger son said '' thats Tom Mom''

 

If only i could turn the clock back , but as much as i love him i dont know him

 

Sorry to hear that Kay. If there is any consolation both me and my second brother were both like that for many years. I met my wife and her little girl who gave me a purpose in life. I then pulled my shit together and went to Uni, now I have a pretty ok job. My brother now runs a small body shop. Saddly we both put out parents through hell.

 

I dunno why lads especially are drawn to such destructive behavoiur all I know is that alot of lads could do benefit from a more structured life style.

 

Craig all drugs are bad for kids, being adult is also knowing where to draw the line betwen a sensible drink/smoke and wasting their lives away like an addict. I'm not having a go at you or your choice, as you say alcohol is worse that smoking weed but I'd rather my kids grew up not feeling that they HAVE to do either. I recon I was pretty lucky, several of my mates ended up smack heads, others coke heads, others never made anything of themselves. Life is a fine ballance.

 

I would like to think that one day he will sort himself out & its what i dream of , very hard to sit back & watch your kids press the self destruct button , all i can do is never close the door on him, he knows deep down that he has a bed here if he really needs it

 

I think the longer he is abscent the harder it is to build bridges , but i live inhope he will come good

[airarmstx200 8]

well now if it doesn't harm the lad doing it.

 

i would contact my local newspaper tell them what happened and in return

for a good story for their paper send the lad back to see his scumbag father

again to go in fitted with a covert camera with sound and catch him red handed.

 

that way he should get more time to do. i know it maybe hard but he's not doing him

any favours